Light Heavyweight bout: 205 pounds
Main Event - Five round fight
***OFFICIAL*** Ryan Bader vs. Glover Teixeira Thread
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Light Heavyweight bout: 205 pounds
Main Event - Five round fight
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I'll have to see how well Gus has improved his wrestling, but if he has improved it he'd take Glover out imo. And if he's really made significant improvement the Jones fight just got real interesting. If Gus stops the take down Jones might be in trouble quickly.
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I think Glover has a better chance of beating Bones than Gus has... Mainly because Glover seems to have pretty good wrestling, whereas Gus has zero wrestling.
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Not sure who I would go with in a Gus vs Glover match as of now but neither will give Jones much trouble.
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The problem with that match is Glover's no spring chicken, he may retire before Gustafsson gets out of the hospital after Jones beats him half to death.Yes, indeed. Glover deserves to be the next in line to face Gustaffsson.
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I'm inclined to agree, but I leraned from Weidman - Silva that in MMA anything is possible.
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Well, lets get real here and Im a fan of Gus more than Jones but Sonnen looked like a bitch the way Jones intentionally beat him at his own game.
Glover cant stand with Jones, cant take him down, cant beat him in the clinch, Glover has no advantages over Jones whatsoever that I see anyway. Punching power is sexy unless you cant hit me then its JACK and IMO Jones would give Tex fits standing.
They both deserve the opportunity they both earned it and they both are going to get beat by jones. JDS is Jones biggest threat or hunt with his power.
Anything can happen but nobody at LHW SHOULD be able to beat Jones.
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This post should be archived to demonstrate the general idiocy of MMA fans.
Apparently a guy can be a bust or overhyped if he's probably the 2nd or 3rd best LHW in the world...behind arguably the most talented fighter to date.
You are on some magic mushrooms if you think some unstoppable destroyer that is going to "give Jones too much trouble" is just going to pop up nonchalantly anytime soon. No one said this about Glover other than he was probably a top 10 LHW talent long before the big names stopped ducking him.
He also represents the toughest challenge to Jones currently, as like Pettis, hes dangerous everywhere. He has the stiker's chance of landing something big and the scrambler's chance. Jones leaves his neck in for a guillotine on a takedown it could be over, and I'm willing to bet Glover is more dangerous on his back than a guy like Vitor Belfort.
Not favoring him by any means, clearly when you do the sort of things Jones has done in this sport you deserve to be the favour it's over everyone, but I certainly wouldn't bet on Jones hiven the number of viable ways he could lose this fight.
I do love though, that every time a guy doesn't steamroll another to 10 guy you have people that have nothing to add but "Myeh! He can't beat the champion!"
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Bader looked pretty steam rolled laying on his back before the end of the first round.
The uncertainty comes from getting tagged by Ryan Bader in the first place... more than one time too.
To his credit, he recovered and easily kept his composure; Bader has some power so he's obviously got a chin.
It just shows some holes in his striking defense.... and his lack of speed.
Doesn't mean he's not a top 10 LHW. Doesn't mean he's not a top 5 heavy weight... I just don't see the Glover Teixeira that showed up tonight, giving JBJ any issues.
Can an old dog learn a new trick?
I would like to see Teixeira beat one of Gustafsson, Evans, Davis, Machida before I could even begin to consider him the 2nd or 3rd best LHW fighter. Heck beating Henderson or Sonnen would raise Teixeira's stock imo.
Liza is right and you as well as others just don't understand it. There is no proof that Teixeira is the 2nd or 3rd best LHW fighter. He might be the 2nd or 3rd best LHW fighter that hasn't already lost to Jones but that doesn't make him the best of the rest. He hasn't faced any of the best yet, his best wins are Bader and Jackson who are barely top 10 fighers now. And Teixeira didn't even look that good against Bader...
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Yeah he's slow but his timing and power are good enough to keep him competitive with most.
He just wont be able to fight his way in against Jones and will get parted out over the coarse of time until Jones pounces and ends it.
He's the kind of guy Jones could score a fight ending HLK or a flashy punch/elbow against IMO because I dont think he can move and get out of the way quick enough.
Hes defiantly upper top ten though.
He just wont be able to fight his way in against Jones and will get parted out over the coarse of time until Jones pounces and ends it.
He's the kind of guy Jones could score a fight ending HLK or a flashy punch/elbow against IMO because I dont think he can move and get out of the way quick enough.
Hes defiantly upper top ten though.
Id love to see him fight those guys too but its not his fault they wont fight him. IDK if that should be held against him.
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For sure but Jones is completely on another level than everyone else. What's really scary is that he's still young, learning and getting better, which is crazy considering what he's already shown he can do and has accomplished.
Jones is a good fighter but does have some weaknesses. His striking actually isn't that great, it is unpredictable and can be devastating but his actual form isn't great and good strikers can take advantage of that(Machida showed us this).
I think Gus is actually good enough to beat Jones in a striking match but I don't think Jones will let him do so as I don't think Gus will be able to avoid Jones' takedowns and ground game.
I think your memory is a little wrong, here is the fight metric for Lyoto vs JBJ:
http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3678
Lyoto landed 13 strikes over the course of the whole fight. Lyoto literally had to sprint at JBJ to hit him, meanwhile JBJ attacked safely from range. Gus isn't a sprinter, and even then JBJ has already seen that trick so I am sure he would be ready.
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LOL, he showed us Jones can beat his ass striking, that's what he showed us LOL.
That first round was garbage, it was so so so less significant than most haters make it out to be but they wont stop latching onto the fight because it gives them hope..
What exactly did he show us? That Jones can beat him up striking, rock his world with a mean punch and step in and coke him to death?
Jones was tooling him in the second and Machida landed a whopping 8 strikes total in the first round, and you think that show Jones has weaknesses striking?
If you want to analyze Jons striking you have to look at some other fight because Machida didn't do shit to Jones.
And yet Machida looked better and most had him winning the first round with his striking...
Jones didn't have success in that fight until he took Lyoto down. It ended pretty quickly after that though.
Imo Jones's biggest weakness is definitely his striking. His unnatural range and agility makes it hard for other fighters to get into range and then when they do get close enough they are in his takedown range which is even more dangerous for them.
I had Jones winning the first round. Also people keep getting it backwards. Jones actually hit Lyoto with a straight right that stunned him, then took him down, wrecked his face, then after they were standing again he got choked out. Here is an article that gives a decent play by play:
http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2011/12/ufc-140-results-jon-jones-vs-lyoto-machida
Lyoto had a nice trick of rushing to the punch, but Jones coaches quickly figured it out and showed JBJ how to beat Lyoto standing. He even proved it by cracking the 'elusive' Lyoto.
JBJ is no striking master, he is not the next Anderson Silva, but he knows how to use his tools very well and until someone shows that they know how to handle his tools I am going to question anyone who thinks they are just going to walk up to JBJ and KO him. It isn't going to happen that way. Someone will need to be able to have an answer for the front kicks and knee kicks, a way to back him up to the cage to prevent his 'elusiveness', and finally a way to handle his clinch. It is a tall order and somewhere there is someone who can handle it, but it isn't Tex or Gus. It is probably some up and coming prospect who no one sees coming, much like JBJ.
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Bader has got to be more disciplined. It cost him against Tito, Machida, and now Glover. He probably would have lost to the latter two anyway, but his lack of discipline has contributed to his demise in 3/4 of his losses.
I was surprised at how well he was actually doing. He was controlling Glover pretty well with his wrestling and stunned him on more than one occasion. Kudos to Glover for surviving and coming back like that.
I was surprised at how well he was actually doing. He was controlling Glover pretty well with his wrestling and stunned him on more than one occasion. Kudos to Glover for surviving and coming back like that.
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