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**rufio.e0** · 01-10-2008, 12:44 AM

passed the test

What he called the "big boy reversal" was really just a shoulder lock (from guard), grapevine the guy's legs out, get to half butterfly guard, hip out and sweep. In other words, using the shoulder lock to take away a base... then doing a half butterfly elevator.

**IronMan** · 01-10-2008, 01:00 AM

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passed the test

What he called the "big boy reversal" was really just a shoulder lock (from guard), grapevine the guy's legs out, get to half butterfly guard, hip out and sweep. In other words, using the shoulder lock to take away a base... then doing a half butterfly elevator.

OK. Glad you got that cleared up. Congrats on passing the test.

**wukkadb** · 01-10-2008, 01:34 AM

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Yeah, this is a problem I know that alot of guys have.

The secret that I've found to work the best is to really keep the arm you're putting across your opponent's neck (I call it the "collar arm," but it's just the arm that's cinching up the choke) low. If that arm is low, and doesn't slip up above your opponent's neck so that it starts compressing the chin, which causes the neck crank, the choke should be very effective.

The other is to keep the chest tilted a little bit instead of being flat. I've noticed that to sink in the submission alot of guys will flatten out the chest and that applies alot of neck compression that actually takes away from the blood choke, because the weight it being applied to the neck crank and not to the arm that should be cutting off bloodflow to the head.

The third tip is just a little adjustment I've picked up over the years to really help with this move.

When you are sinking the choke in, don't just grab your wrist and cinch the choke up using your body. Also cinch up the choke using your collar arm. This is easier in gi based jiu-jitsu where you have alot of handles on your shoulders and collar, but even in no-gi, you can tighten the choke up by putting your hand on your collarbone instead of using a simple wrist grip. This will also keep you from feeling like you need to really force the submission, which is alot of times how people end up in that neckcrank.

Nice! Thanks for the help. And congrats on passing your test, rufio!

**rufio.e0** · 01-10-2008, 10:25 AM

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Nice! Thanks for the help. And congrats on passing your test, rufio!

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OK. Glad you got that cleared up. Congrats on passing the test.

TY

**IronMan** · 01-13-2008, 04:29 PM

There are alot of issues with the use of elbows, just in the sport in general. They've been barred from alot of Japanese organizations because of the cuts that result and there's alot of talk about banning them in amateur MMA so that it might increase the prospect of it becoming an Olympic sport.

As far as the use of elbows in combat and in competition, it's one of the most useful strikes. On the ground, there are dozens of elbow openings a minute and people don't even pay attention to them because they're thinking so much about rolling around.

The elbows can get a cut, and that blood will give you a huge advantage in the fight, but the elbow is also an effective strike, and people forget about that too.

Elbow strikes to the top of the head and the face (whether with the forearm part of the elbow or the back part of the elbow) are effective and really a pain in the ass for most fighters, especially when they're trying to focus on grappling.

Elbows can loosen up an opponent and make him distracted, so that he's thinking more about defending the strikes than the submission, and there are plenty of ways to finish a fight with elbows, whether from the guard, from sidecontrol or in the scramble.

It's important, as fighters, that we don't forget any weapong htat we have at our disposal, and elbows are one of the best of those.

**SurfNinja** · 01-13-2008, 05:12 PM

I read your bit on grappling heavier opponents, excellent advice. I can attest first hand that doing a kimura on a larger guy is very hard to finish with, because he (my friend) just powers out of it every time. In fact, I have a question concerning grappling against this friend (or people like him):
I was grappling him yesterday, and he's about 40 lbs. heavier than me, and my question is how do you pass the guard of a vastly stronger opponent?

I put my knee in the middle of his butt, leaned back and tried to put my elbow in between his thigh and my torso, but whenever I did that he would just squeeze his legs and pull me back close to him. After failing to open his legs doing that a few times I went for the can opener (which would usually lead to a stack and me throwing the legs aside), but he had none of it.

So are there any guard passes that are better for using against people that are that much stronger?

**wukkadb** · 01-13-2008, 05:24 PM

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I read your bit on grappling heavier opponents, excellent advice. I can attest first hand that doing a kimura on a larger guy is very hard to finish with, because he (my friend) just powers out of it every time. In fact, I have a question concerning grappling against this friend (or people like him):
I was grappling him yesterday, and he's about 40 lbs. heavier than me, and my question is how do you pass the guard of a vastly stronger opponent?

I put my knee in the middle of his butt, leaned back and tried to put my elbow in between his thigh and my torso, but whenever I did that he would just squeeze his legs and pull me back close to him. After failing to open his legs doing that a few times I went for the can opener (which would usually lead to a stack and me throwing the legs aside), but he had none of it.

So are there any guard passes that are better for using against people that are that much stronger?

Stand up, or bait the armbar/triangle and then escape that way.

**IronMan** · 01-13-2008, 09:13 PM

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So are there any guard passes that are better for using against people that are that much stronger?

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Stand up, or bait the armbar/triangle and then escape that way.

I pretty much agree with wukka on this one, though there are a few points that I think can be added to really improve the efficiency of your guard pass, especially against stronger guys.

The first is to use your knee as a seperator as soon as he opens his guard. Once you have your knee between you and your opponent, there are all sorts of over/under passes that are really effective and it also sets up a nice straight ankle lock. As an added bonus, unless your opponent's legs are really long, he's not going to be able to close his guard.

Second, when you are doing the standup pass, make sure to keep your feet back and slip both of your arms under both of his legs very quickly. Once you do that, you're basically past, but if you keep your feet in and your opponent grabs on of them, you will get swept, regardless of where your hands are.

I definitely, from personal experience, like to use a can-opener, though I'm aware that in most gyms it is against the rules. Definitely learn it, though, because it is very, very effective as both a submission and a way to open up guard.

The inside hands pass, where you slip your hands inside your opponents guard so that your bicepts are under his thighs, is really effective against bigger guys, because their legs can get a little loose against a smaller opponent, though their really most effective against an active guard.

Hope that was helpful.

**wukkadb** · 01-13-2008, 09:24 PM

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Second, when you are doing the standup pass, make sure to keep your feet back and slip both of your arms under both of his legs very quickly. Once you do that, you're basically past, but if you keep your feet in and your opponent grabs on of them, you will get swept, regardless of where your hands are.

So is there no real defense for not getting swept? And should you keep both feet back or just one? Also, do you train with a Gi on too?

**IronMan** · 01-13-2008, 10:51 PM

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So is there no real defense for not getting swept? And should you keep both feet back or just one? Also, do you train with a Gi on too?

The defense for not getting swept is to not let your heels get grabbed and yanked while your standing up. You should keep them both back because even if your opponent just catches one heel, they can use their leg to hook your leg and toss you on your ass.

If you get tossed on your back from this position, it's really just a battle for top, and your opponent's legs are on top, which leaves you at a serious disadvantage.

The only real counter from the standing position is the leglock, as those are the only limbs you can attack. That's why I drill my achilles locks, because it's a nice addition to a standing groundnpound.

I do train with the gi on. I find that it makes me refine my movements that much more and makes me more aware of chokes (which are an important thing to learn to defend).

I find that if I learn to deal with extra attacs, it makes my instincts that much sharper and my defense that much better. Also, working with the handles that come from a gi help me to understand how to grip better, even in no gi. (things like cupping the tricept for armbars and triangles)

While alot of people will say that some of the techniques are unapplicable, I just find I move alot faster no-gi when I have the gi as a training weight in some of my training sessions.

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