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post #181 of 319 (permalink) Old 04-30-2008, 11:24 PM Thread Starter
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oh i'm sorry i was thinking in terms of yr. martial arts instructor

Only kick ass a little then, ie project controlled dominance, technical superiority without the brutal beatdown, making it clear to a practiced eye that you let him win.
Are you saying throw the match? I really have no intention of letting him win. (I don't like him that much)

Though I understand what you're saying about projecting controlled dominance, and that sounds like a good idea.



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I didn't know till now what kind of relationship you had with him, if you liked him or not. Since you don't, I'd say go to town. whatever your go-to moves are.

BTW have you ever seen him roll with anyone?


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So, in case you're wondering, the subject at this school is one of my high school teachers, not one of my martial arts instructors. (they do enough to kick my ass when we're on the mat already)

One of my teachers, a religion teacher, actually, and I were talking about martial arts and he thinks of himself as a little bit of a martial artist (no BJJ training, no sambo training, and so on down the line of every grappling style), but he had a high school wrestling background (almost 30 years ago now), so he wants to roll a little bit.

I agreed to do it, but I'm not really sure how I want to handle the situation. Do I whup his ass and take some of his students respect (it's not like he disrespected me, so there's nothing personal about it)? Do I play around with him a little and do some interesting stuff? Do I stick to the basics and keep in BJJ 101?

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It depends on who this is in front of. If it's just at your school in an environment you're comfortable in... go to town and sub him all day long. However, because he's your "superior" in school he should still be shown some respect out-of-school so don't make him cry.

If this is in the high school gym or something, I'd even go easier on him. I'm not saying throw it by any means, but so he doesn't lose respect in front of any potential spectators (students) let him take you down. Concede the shot and then sub him, that way you both appear victorious. If he starts getting frustrated explain what's going on, just like you would to anyone at your school. If his "martial arts" experience is wrestling, he's probably going to think he's won when you're pinned... then you're gonna armbar him and he could be confused. In any case I'd show him respect as an "elder" but introduce him to the beauty of BJJ. Who knows, he might even raise you a letter grade for teaching him once-a-week.



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It depends on who this is in front of. If it's just at your school in an environment you're comfortable in... go to town and sub him all day long. However, because he's your "superior" in school he should still be shown some respect out-of-school so don't make him cry.

If this is in the high school gym or something, I'd even go easier on him. I'm not saying throw it by any means, but so he doesn't lose respect in front of any potential spectators (students) let him take you down. Concede the shot and then sub him, that way you both appear victorious. If he starts getting frustrated explain what's going on, just like you would to anyone at your school. If his "martial arts" experience is wrestling, he's probably going to think he's won when you're pinned... then you're gonna armbar him and he could be confused. In any case I'd show him respect as an "elder" but introduce him to the beauty of BJJ. Who knows, he might even raise you a letter grade for teaching him once-a-week.

He's already asked me to teach a course over one of our school breaks, and he's got some understanding of BJJ (not the point system, but the general idea), but I totally get what you're saying.

Thanks for the help, man.



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So I lost at NAGA. I was exhausted when it finally came time for the match; I'm not sure why I was so tired. Either: the anxiety over the span of a day wore me out, I cut too much weight, I fasted too much prior to sweating, or not being able to eat in the competition area meant I didn't get enough food in me that day (I had a few power bars and some cold pasta that morning, but otherwise I didn't eat because they didn't let us bring in our coolers).

Anyway, I was on the receiving end of a RNC. I went through the depressed & mad stages, now I just want to compete again so I can prove to myself that I'm better than that (and I know I am). Next show is in august.


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So I lost at NAGA. I was exhausted when it finally came time for the match; I'm not sure why I was so tired. Either: the anxiety over the span of a day wore me out, I cut too much weight, I fasted too much prior to sweating, or not being able to eat in the competition area meant I didn't get enough food in me that day (I had a few power bars and some cold pasta that morning, but otherwise I didn't eat because they didn't let us bring in our coolers).

Anyway, I was on the receiving end of a RNC. I went through the depressed & mad stages, now I just want to compete again so I can prove to myself that I'm better than that (and I know I am). Next show is in august.
Good to hear you got out of that frustrated phase quickly. It's tough to lose, but make sure you realize where you are weak technically. Clearly, your opponent got to your back and was able to control you, so you should definitely work on escapes from that position and keeping your opponent in front of you, because you let him escape to the back initially.

By the same token, you now know what to be careful of with competitions, things like whether or not they'll let you bring in food are important.

Best of luck with the next competition, and keep me posted on how your training is going.



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Did you stare down yr. teacher yet and roll? what happened?


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Did you stare down yr. teacher yet and roll? what happened?
Yeah, we rolled today.

I choked him out three times. First with an RNC, then with a triangle and then (for flair) with a gogoplata off the top (a variation I call the "Buddha Choke", but is really just a gogo from the mount).

I didn't get in his face of anything, he was good natured about it and alot of the students that watched enjoyed it. I was a little worried about the size advantage (he has about 5 inches and probably 50-60 pounds on me), but the basic Gracie principle is still true: if you know leverage, you win.
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nice. good to hear that your teacher was being a good sport. Bet it made you just a lil' more popular at school too ("that's the guy that beat up Mr. Smith!"). haha

I should be able to roll tonight, I just want to get back on the mat and go. I'm also going to start going to a pure wrestling class once-a-week to work on my takedowns for august (next naga event).

You should record your "buddha choke" and get the video on youtube. Shouldn't the guy on bottom be able to roll you off of him with his free hand (i realize you'd still end up with the gogo, just from bottom position)


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nice. good to hear that your teacher was being a good sport. Bet it made you just a lil' more popular at school too ("that's the guy that beat up Mr. Smith!"). haha

I should be able to roll tonight, I just want to get back on the mat and go. I'm also going to start going to a pure wrestling class once-a-week to work on my takedowns for august (next naga event).

You should record your "buddha choke" and get the video on youtube. Shouldn't the guy on bottom be able to roll you off of him with his free hand (i realize you'd still end up with the gogo, just from bottom position)
It's about keeping your weight forward, that prevents them from rolling you over. I'll do something to record it if I can get my camera working. If not, then I'll do a photo walk-through on here at some point. Finals are in two weeks, though, so I've been a little busy lately.



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