Thread Tools

Display Modes

**Freelancer** · 05-30-2009, 11:23 AM

I know what techniques are taught first I just wanted to know whether you already learned them in BJJ, and did you need improvement, which you answered. It's incredible, isn't it, the level of detail some these seemingly simple techniques have. There is a whole book on osoto gari. A whole book for one technique! Ippon seoi nage gave me hell in my first year of training.
Plus what you said about techniques that are illegal, well there is a catch about them. Kimura(ude garami) isn't illegal, it's just that you aren't allowed to finish a guy from the guard with it. On top it's perfectly legal. Omoplata can be used if you modify it to attack the elbow, not the shoulder.

**IronMan** · 05-30-2009, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freelancer

I know what techniques are taught first I just wanted to know whether you already learned them in BJJ, and did you need improvement, which you answered. It's incredible, isn't it, the level of detail some these seemingly simple techniques have. There is a whole book on osoto gari. A whole book for one technique! Ippon seoi nage gave me hell in my first year of training.

Osoto's awesome. The setups are great to work with, and learning to explode off of the back foot is great.

I've been playing with morote seio nage a lot, including a variation where I switch lapel grips (I've been told there's actually a different name for the technique, but it's still good, and does a good job setting up pins).

Quote:

Plus what you said about techniques that are illegal, well there is a catch about them. Kimura(ude garami) isn't illegal, it's just that you aren't allowed to finish a guy from the guard with it. On top it's perfectly legal. Omoplata can be used if you modify it to attack the elbow, not the shoulder.

Yeah, you can modify the omo to attack the elbow. It's pretty easy to work with (there's also a nice gi choke from there).

I've been told it's illegal to attack the shoulder, though my instructor does the standard straight arm version, which is pretty effective (but not a kimura).

You have the text of the rule? I'd be interested to see it. If it doesn't restrict attacks on the shoulder, that'd be interesting, but I'm pretty sure it does.

**Freelancer** · 05-30-2009, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronMan

Osoto's awesome. The setups are great to work with, and learning to explode off of the back foot is great.

I've been playing with morote seio nage a lot, including a variation where I switch lapel grips (I've been told there's actually a different name for the technique, but it's still good, and does a good job setting up pins).

Yup, when you do Seoi Nage with inner lapel grip its called Eri Seoi nage.

Quote:

Yeah, you can modify the omo to attack the elbow. It's pretty easy to work with (there's also a nice gi choke from there).

I've been told it's illegal to attack the shoulder, though my instructor does the standard straight arm version, which is pretty effective (but not a kimura).

You have the text of the rule? I'd be interested to see it. If it doesn't restrict attacks on the shoulder, that'd be interesting, but I'm pretty sure it does.

When you are tested for the green belt you have to demonstrate Kimura from side control, so I think it's legal. However I;m sure it's not legal to do it from the guard. But you can do this: From the guard, grab a kimura open your guard and use the leverage to turn him over.

I don't have the text of the rule, but this is my experience from training.

**IronMan** · 05-31-2009, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freelancer

When you are tested for the green belt you have to demonstrate Kimura from side control, so I think it's legal. However I;m sure it's not legal to do it from the guard. But you can do this: From the guard, grab a kimura open your guard and use the leverage to turn him over.

I don't have the text of the rule, but this is my experience from training.

Yeah, I'll have to have that discussion with my coaches at some point. But since there are no armlocks until the blackbelt level in competition anyway, it's not an immediate concern.

**Freelancer** · 05-31-2009, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronMan

Yeah, I'll have to have that discussion with my coaches at some point. But since there are no armlocks until the blackbelt level in competition anyway, it's not an immediate concern.

That's not the case in my country. All this talk about Judo makes me miss training even more.

**IronMan** · 05-31-2009, 05:52 PM

I meant to post this yesterday, but I forgot.

Anyway, I went to the tournament and did timekeeping for some of the younger kids matches. It was all an in-house tournament for the Rocha Jiu-Jitsu students and the kids that Stephan Goyne (the juniors instructor, and a Mundial silver medalist @ brownbelt) trains in San Francisco.

One of my favorite kids, Mikey, who I've been coaching for two years now, and his older sister, showed up. I didn't tell them I was coming, so they were happy to see me.

Mikey won his division, winning all of his matches by upwards of 16 points (which is ridiculous for a 3 minute match). He went back and forth between the mount and the back a lot, and did a good job controlling the position.

Lauren, his older sister, finished second in her division, beating her first opponent pretty soundly, finishing with a forearm choke from the mount, and then losing her second match 6-5 after giving up her back in the last thirty seconds. Still, she showed a lot of improvement.

I ended up with two matches, in a division of three, which was fine.

Both of the kids were larger than me, but younger. The first was one of Stephan's kids from San Francisco, who does wrestling on the side. We ended up in the clinch and fell in a scramble. I ended up using an underhook to get the back, and then secured an RNC from the back.

I generally don't use the RNC in gi grappling, but it was there. Hopefully I'll have a good pic of that to post later, if the photographer sends it to me. (I choked him out right in front of the photog, and had the choke on for a good fifteen seconds before he tapped, since he had his fingers and chin in the way at first)

Minh, my old training partner (who's about to turn 18 and weighs about 180ish pounds) was also in the division, and beat Marvin (the guy from SF) as well, so we went in the finals.

I jumped guard and tapped Minh with an armbar pretty quickly. He has a tendency to try and pin my biceps, but leaves his elbows out, so I work a high guard and turn my hips over to secure the armbar, then break his grip on the biceps and finish.

Overall a pretty good day. Stephan pointed out that this was the first time I've ever used the RNC in a straight jiu-jitsu match (I usually save it for MMA, where I can use strikes to the face and covering the mouth to distract my opponent while I slip it on) and that made me happy, as its a move I intend to use more in judo, along with lapel chokes.

**IronMan** · 06-23-2009, 02:35 PM

I'm going to a judo class at TG Taekwondo with a friend of mine tonight. The class starts at 7:30 and we're going to roll and train some MMA afterwards, so I'll probably end up training until til 11:30.

Should be a good night.

**IronMan** · 08-01-2009, 01:37 AM

NOTE: I dislocated my shoulder the other day when I got caught in a wizzer while I was trying to take the back. It's not an injury I take really seriously, though I probably should. Still, it's feeling much better.

I competed in a small tournament at the end of May, and my friend Michael, who's the father of one of my students, sent me some pictures of my first match (he was photographing his sons match during my second, but it was only about a minute, so not a big deal).

Anyway, figured I'd post a few of those.

5609_1185680595682_1038296910_1224776_8096572_n.jpg
Yeah, Pat Miletich told me I look like a 12 year old.
5609_1185680715685_1038296910_1224779_5450026_n.jpg
Taking side control.
5609_1185680915690_1038296910_1224784_6528342_n.jpg
Sinking in the rear naked choke (my first in competition).
5609_1185681835713_1038296910_1224785_77202_n.jpg
Post-victory. I really am happy, I swear.