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Old 04-10-2007, 12:34 AM   #21 (permalink)
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advanced move though plus if you don't get it your screwed.

But yes drop seoi nage would work aswell if you know it i suggest you consider trying it aswell.
your only screwed if you bring it on yourself, ie not deep enough with the hips, or you don't go for it and there is space between the two of you.

all other fails are not that bad, such as opponet steps over, just hold on till he passes, then you take his back.

you get into the drop but he is still standing, lunge foward with another(i have done this 3,4,5 lunges to get a guy over before).

he breaks free or your grip fails, turtle, for 5 seconds.

i have yet to be finished in a tournament by a failed drop.
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Old 04-10-2007, 12:39 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I'm 5'6" and 200 lbs
what size gi is that you wear???

sumi gaeshi, tomoe nage, makikomi, you must be good at...
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Old 04-10-2007, 12:42 AM   #23 (permalink)
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your only screwed if you bring it on yourself, ie not deep enough with the hips, or you don't go for it and there is space between the two of you.

all other fails are not that bad, such as opponet steps over, just hold on till he passes, then you take his back.

you get into the drop but he is still standing, lunge foward with another(i have done this 3,4,5 lunges to get a guy over before).

he breaks free or your grip fails, turtle, for 5 seconds.

i have yet to be finished in a tournament by a failed drop.
Im talking about if you go for the drop but fail to complete the throw and there standing over you and can get you in a variety of rolling pins, chokes and armbars.

Its a good technique though.
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:31 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Im talking about if you go for the drop but fail to complete the throw and there standing over you and can get you in a variety of rolling pins, chokes and armbars.

Its a good technique though.
when bad goes to worst on the drop i just turtle up, you are correct in saying i am in a bad position. but my match is far from over. hold the turtle for 5 seconds, restart.

my bjj sensei works alot with me from the turtle, because he knows this is my best throw, making me very comfortable in this otherwise bad position. i do not feel it is a disadvantage being in turtle. at all. my arms are tucked from armbars, my hands are hight to protect my neck and lapels, my elbows are tight to my waist with the help of my knees and thights protecting from ones hooks. my base is very strong. i can curtain my lapel up to my ear or over my head to protect from most hands slipping across or under. i like to attack from here too, hooking an ankle for an ankle pick or turning into a single leg. throws are the same from here as they are standing. i could roll into half guard(if given space)

please do not get me wrong. i use turtle as a transition, not as a guard. but being in turtle is not as bad as people think or feel. once you are taught the good, the bad, and ugle from the turtle. you too will like it, especially if you do judo.
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Old 04-10-2007, 01:39 AM   #25 (permalink)
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so what kinda judo experience do all you guys have?
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:07 AM   #26 (permalink)
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when bad goes to worst on the drop i just turtle up, you are correct in saying i am in a bad position. but my match is far from over. hold the turtle for 5 seconds, restart.

my bjj sensei works alot with me from the turtle, because he knows this is my best throw, making me very comfortable in this otherwise bad position. i do not feel it is a disadvantage being in turtle. at all. my arms are tucked from armbars, my hands are hight to protect my neck and lapels, my elbows are tight to my waist with the help of my knees and thights protecting from ones hooks. my base is very strong. i can curtain my lapel up to my ear or over my head to protect from most hands slipping across or under. i like to attack from here too, hooking an ankle for an ankle pick or turning into a single leg. throws are the same from here as they are standing. i could roll into half guard(if given space)

please do not get me wrong. i use turtle as a transition, not as a guard. but being in turtle is not as bad as people think or feel. once you are taught the good, the bad, and ugle from the turtle. you too will like it, especially if you do judo.
Ah yes the turtle can be good thats why i train very hard in the aspect to get someone into something from the turtle.

Rolling armbars, rolling pins, chokes(anaconda choke is very effective)

But sacrifices need to made in Judo after all there are sacrifice techniques and quite a few of them so drop Seoi Nage is a good technique but i don't suggest to try it against a bug guy if your unexperienced at the technique.

But my Judo experience? i'm a brown belt(1st kyu)


we should make an official Judo thread. Because i know its very popular but Muay Thai gets its own section.
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I've been doing judo since I was 4 (28 now). Got my shodan (1st dan black) at 16 and stopped trying to advance after that. I've never cared much about rank, just ability. I've won multiple national and state titles as a junior. Won the Junior Olympics. I stopped competing after highschool to join the Navy and focus on my career. I was told I had great potential, but I guess I'll never know now. I teach MMA at a local gym now.

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Old 04-10-2007, 08:53 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I've been doing judo since I was 4 (28 now). I've won multiple national and state titles as a junior. Won the Junior Olympics. I stopped competing after highschool to join the Navy and focus on my career. I was told I had great potential, but I guess I'll never now. I teach MMA at a local gym now.
Just when i get my hopes up someone outranks me

28? you can still go compete Randy Corture is 43 i think.

And welcome to the forum.

Ever had any MMA fights?
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Old 04-10-2007, 09:03 AM   #29 (permalink)
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As far as tai otoshi and harai goshi being good for bigger, stronger opponents... I'd agree and disagree with that. Those are great throws when you're very proficient with them. Timing and kuzushi have to be excellent to make these work on a bigger opponent. You can't fly in and muscle them around. Since they have a size and strength advantage, either your placement has to be stupendous or you have to set it up with a combo (ouchi gari, etc...). I'd really stick with sacrificies, sweeps, and leg/ankle pics until you get very comfortable with a deceptively complicated forward throw like tai otoshi. Like someone mentioned above, drop seoi nage is a great throw for someone larger & stronger. Get him pushing on you and let him develop a habit and comfort with plowing straight forward. Attempt several rear sweeps. When ready, fake a rear sweep. I like kouchi gari for this. When he steps back or raises his leg to avoid your "half-assed" attempt, that's when you drop. Remember to drop deep between his legs, not just straight down. Done right, you'll almost always get a score out of it.
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Old 04-10-2007, 09:12 AM   #30 (permalink)
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28? you can still go compete Randy Corture is 43 i think.

And welcome to the forum.

Ever had any MMA fights?
Thanks for the welcome! I cruise the forum a lot, but only post when something like this interests me. I've still got the hunger to compete and win. I know I'm in great shape and plenty young enough to do it, but I feel (so does the wifey) that I've got too much to lose to risk eye, ear, or loss of mobility. I teach MMA and get a lot of great opportunities to pass on my knowledge and beat up on my students occasionally. When I was in the Navy, I had ~25 MMA matches. Mostly "quaint" little underground matches. I only lost two. I lost my first match to some dude from San Antonio via triangle choke (never saw it until then) and I lost my last match to Aaron Riley. I wasn't much of a striker back then and decided to try it out at the wrong time. He knocked me out. Oopsy.
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