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Kin 02-21-2013 05:36 PM

All Of The Fat!!!1!1
 
Over the last few years I've played with a lot of different diet plans and variations on them for the sake of a general healthy lifestyle, athletic performance, and obviously cutting weight.

The first modification I made to my average American unhealthy diet was to substitute high GI carbs for lower ones -- ie: white rice for brown rice.

The next thing I started to do was increase my protein intake, and try to cut down on the fat.

Flash forward a few years, I'm living with my buddy who is an avid jiujitsu practitioner and crossfit...guy. He'd been using the zone diet for a few years with success, but has recently jumped over to a more paleo-centric approach.

By coincidence I've been gradually moving in that direction lately, and I've gone pretty close to full paleo for a fight camp before. I've pulled back a bit because I hate how much it shocks my system when I reintroduce celebratory junk food after a fight.

Nowadays I'm all about lentils, quinoa, and spaghetti squash for my carbs (obviously in addition to vegetables and some fruits). The biggest, most recent change to my diet has been my fat intake.

At my roommate's suggestion, I've been (way) more liberal about my fat intake. I've been eating tons of bacon, using bacon grease to cook, having lots of almond butter, and whatnot. Now I'd expect the bacon to put some chub on me, but much to my surprise it's done the exact opposite!

In 3 weeks I gained 5 pounds of muscle mass. At 154, I was looking as lean as I did at 145, but wayy bigger. It was freakish how upping my fat intake, despite having the same protein intake, influenced my body.

Now the downside to this is that I've been having a SUPER hard time losing weight for my fight. This high protein/high fat thing makes the fat melt away, but its so difficult to lose literal weight, because I've become so much leaner at a higher weight.

So for my cut to 135, I've switched it around to a high protein, medium fat, low carb diet just to make weight. And it works, despite the suckage of the whole thing. But my god, if I didn't have to be at a specific weight and just wanted to be shredded, I would eat ALL OF THE FAT!

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Has anyone else tried this or had similar experiences?

UpAndComing2013 03-10-2013 10:57 AM

Great thread.
 
Firstly, as my title says, great thread. Really the kind of thing I was looking for when I registered today.

Im 218 pounds currently trying to cut down to light heavy weight and go semi-pro. I have done well if I don't mind patting myself on the back getting from around 250 to where I am now with good fitness, muscle endurance and explosive power.

My difficulty obviously apart from dealing with overtraining, injuries, training plateaus and general patience is cutting whilst maintaining power and muscle endurance. I have just began a cutting cycle. It is a mix of morning swimming intervals of sprints front crawl then breast stroke for muscle burn then on an evening a 3 mile run followed by a maintenance muscle exercise also plyometrics. Jump squats one day, clap press ups the next then situps and pullups (from dead hang to a snap at the top).

I read you said trading white rice (obviously includes pasta and bread too) for brown is effective???

In this phase I begin the morning with a high carb level due to the factor of your insulin sensitivity being at its highest (correct me if i'm wrong) meaning broken down glucose will make its way to muscle glycogen rather than fat stores. Tin of beans and 4 toast. I then swim then rice pudding protein shake then an hour before gym three Weetabix and a protein shake then gym then after ill have say a rice and tuna.... Do you have carbs before bed?? On a cutting cycle I really find no carbs before bed is essential or if anything more beneficial... Its so hard combining bed time, no carbs and high cardio your cravings for any form of glucose whether complex or simple is through the roof.

I have never tried the whole fat level content I have everything on the light side, light mayo, light butter... However you could be experiencing a high level of liptin or leptin hormone which breaks down fats. At low fat levels it begins to decrease secretion and slow down fat disposal. (Again correct me if im wrong).

I'm into day 7 of my elite cutting phase as obviously fitness and determination grows so does the level and extremity of your training. I have not seen results as of yet but it usually comes around the 2 week area am I right??? Im unaware as I have once to lose massive weight gone on a very low carb and trained once a day with intervals and lost much muscle and striking speed in the 3 month process and intensity of exercise failed which all is detrimental to fighting ability in the physical sense so now obviously with trial an error am on this scheme. It would be great to get a reply off you as soon as you could.

Thank you!

HexRei 03-10-2013 12:28 PM

I've been doing a kind of paleo-southbeach hybrid for about three years and its effing awesome. as you mentioned, bacon in everything, and no need for cooking oil when you've got delicious bacon grease sitting around.


that's all i wanted to add. rock on!

Life B Ez 03-10-2013 01:37 PM

Look up a guy named Scott Sonnon. He wrote a book that's free you can get it online. Its what I'm doing. Zero sugar, zero simple carbs. Meat and vegetables. Beat diet I've been on and best results as well.@

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UpAndComing2013 03-12-2013 08:31 AM

Quick update..
 
I changed my refined carbs to whole grains two days ago... found throughout the day I have sustained energy... more positive and happy mood, more patience, less sugar cravings...Really feel much better... White bread for brown and seeded. Rice pudding for Scottish oats. Weetabix for fruit and fibre and white rice for whole grain. Amazing!

Kin 03-12-2013 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HexRei (Post 1888578)
I've been doing a kind of paleo-southbeach hybrid for about three years and its effing awesome. as you mentioned, bacon in everything, and no need for cooking oil when you've got delicious bacon grease sitting around.


that's all i wanted to add. rock on!

Do you cook veggies in that too? I still havent been able to bring myself to put veggies into the bacon grease, but I cook other meats in that grease...And then pour that grease back into the jar. GREASE-CEPTION!

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Originally Posted by Life B Ez (Post 1888650)
Look up a guy named Scott Sonnon. He wrote a book that's free you can get it online. Its what I'm doing. Zero sugar, zero simple carbs. Meat and vegetables. Beat diet I've been on and best results as well.@

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That sounds like it'd take more discipline than I have. While cutting out sugars and starchy carbs entirely would be SUPER healthy, I feel like my life wouldn't be worth living without the occasional cookie and brownie and chocolate croissant and ice cream and...

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Originally Posted by UpAndComing2013 (Post 1895122)
I changed my refined carbs to whole grains two days ago... found throughout the day I have sustained energy... more positive and happy mood, more patience, less sugar cravings...Really feel much better... White bread for brown and seeded. Rice pudding for Scottish oats. Weetabix for fruit and fibre and white rice for whole grain. Amazing!

Definitely try trading in carbs for more fat and protein. An interesting thing is that your body can manufacture its own glucose, but will only do so if you don't give it enough dietary glucose so that it has to get it from somewhere else. I'm not saying nix the carbs altogether, though some go that route (keto diet), but dropping your intake as low as possible will give you the most dramatic results.

Life B Ez 03-12-2013 07:03 PM

First off. Steam your veggies or eat them raw. Grilling or frying destroys about half the nutrients microwaving you might as well not have them.

If you're after a cooking oil check out coconut oil. Olive oil is healthy but when you heat it the good fats break down and it becomes unhealthy. Coconut oil withstands high heat. It's solid at room temp so just scoop a little out and heat in the pan before cooking. Plus it will last way longer than other oil because you don't need as much.

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Originally Posted by Kin (Post 1897434)
That sounds like it'd take more discipline than I have. While cutting out sugars and starchy carbs entirely would be SUPER healthy, I feel like my life wouldn't be worth living without the occasional cookie and brownie and chocolate croissant and ice cream

It's not difficult after two weeks. Sugar is a toxin and rather addictive. Once you clean it out of your system the cravings stop happening. But if you can't do it you're better off finding something you'll stick to rather then something you'll do for a month then binge eat.

Also just for anyone interested in healthy snacks. Here's a brownie recipe that will be bad ass.

1/2 cup coconut oil
1/2 cup raw cocoa powder
1/2 tsp cinnamon
1/2 cup coconut or almond milk
2 tbs honey (you can use any honey but I personally recommend killer bee money it's no more expensive and has no more sugar but its incredibly sweet)
1 egg
1 cup almond meal
(I also add a half a cup of crushed pecans)

Mix coconut oil, cinnamon and cocoa mix well.

Add the rest of the ingredients one at a time and mix well

Put in a tin and bake at 325F for 20 minutes. Let cool for 60mins and put in fridge allow to chill, enjoy.

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HexRei 03-12-2013 07:06 PM

don't talk about bacon that way. i'll straight up steam my brocs and then dump bacon oil on it!

Life B Ez 03-12-2013 07:32 PM

Hey that's your choice. Diet is personal it effects no one else, I don't push my beliefs.

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UpAndComing2013 03-13-2013 04:05 AM

Kin
 
Definitely try trading in carbs for more fat and protein. An interesting thing is that your body can manufacture its own glucose, but will only do so if you don't give it enough dietary glucose so that it has to get it from somewhere else. I'm not saying nix the carbs altogether, though some go that route (keto diet), but dropping your intake as low as possible will give you the most dramatic results.[/quote]

I already have gone up in fats by adding nutty cereals and seeded bread to my diet but bacon grease? Literally the thought of it makes me want to throw up. The carbs I eat gives me that manic buzz before I train twice a day on my cutting cycle and I find getting enough energy to train twice daily very intensely is more effective than forcing my body to make glucose elsewhere because I feel the shutting down effects?? Which is more likely to release Gh, Test and affect metabolic/hormonal rates/changes. I assume your talking about gluconeogenesis? I'm into day 10 now of cutting cycle. Through out the day swimming sprints, plyometrics, 3 miles running, 6 miles biking some days pad work sparring and extra running sprints needs maximum output for maximum results... Don't feel that when i'm zapped... Definitely don't feel fast twitch muscles are firing strong. Today I have a grapple with an old coach of mine he's about 240lbs... Older guy, straight monster... Chest bigger than my head... 3x karate black belt.. I think Ill still eat my beans on toast and Scottish oats before I make the gym today lol lol lol. :)


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