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post #21 of 73 (permalink) Old 06-02-2006, 08:04 PM
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well it's obvious that bjj is the best! duhhhh-duhhh-duhhhh
but i was referring to whihc was better out of bjj and jjj?
You didnt say that and the moment you believe your style is better you will always underestimate your opponent and lose
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If you are still asking which is "better" than you missed my point all together. I also saw someone post saying that bjj is clearly the best.

Firstly, I fought a guy who was "bjj all the way" and i beat him in 1:44 with a standing armlock and a knee to the face, traditional jjj. I you think that one style is better I would dare you to try training in just one and stepping into an MMA ring with someone who has studied everything, but you may not like the outcome.

Secondly, the inovations of Helio Gracie that make bjj so incredibly powerful are little things like leverage that can be easily applied in jjj. The 2 feed off of each other. There is some striking in jjj and that is almost completely overlooked in bjj.

If you want to study one it depends on what you are looking for, if you were to only study 1 ma I would definitely suggest bjj, just because of how useful I've seen it can be, but it is always important to remember that if you think 1 way is the only way you'll get destroyed.



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Firstly, I fought a guy who was "bjj all the way" and i beat him in 1:44 with a standing armlock and a knee to the face, traditional jjj. I you think that one style is better I would dare you to try training in just one and stepping into an MMA ring with someone who has studied everything, but you may not like the outcome.
I was referring to the single best ma. Not when some1 like you who has done like 5.
ufc 1 2 3 4 royce gracie owned karate, kung fu, wrestling,tkd, boxing.

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With one dimensional fighters, there are still more variables than just the style. Royce proved that BJJ can be any size or shape of fighter, but there are several kinds of fighters (even one dimensional ones) that we didn't see in UFC 1,2,3 and 4. He lost to Sakuraba, who was also a one dimensional fighter.

If you want to say that any one style is the best, than the argument has to be made for wing chun and other short hand boxing styles. Short hand boxers bring an entirely new definition of speed and sakuraba v gracie is proof of that.

You can't get a takedown if your opponent has already rung you up with a punch to the nose.



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well royce's takedown was not the best and bjj is only the best most of the time. bjj can get caught and lose like every other style.

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BJJ doesn't teach takedowns, which is why it needs to be coupled with Roman-Greco to reach a level that's more practical in modern MMA.

But wasn't that my point? All martial arts need to be used together in order to be effective. The ideal fighter in MMA is someone who knows a little bit of everything, that completely negates size and strength.



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moderate takedowns, chokes, submissions, gnp, boxing skills and leg kicks, takedown defense, clinch game

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Yeah, basically. Add aggression and there you go.



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now I never studied BJJ but I was taught about applying leverage from day one in JJJ it only makes sense the body only functions in certian ways and by understanding how the body works it can be manipulated how you want, remember where the head goes the body will follow. and that joints only bend so far etc. most grapplers learn this or they never really get better. and preassure points can be fun when grappling

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remember where the head goes the body will follow.
Don, thank you for citing the secret of all jiu-jitsu. Really the idea is that once you control an extension of the body )i.e. head, arm, leg) you can apply pressure at certain angles to control the rest of the body.

In BJJ and JJJ there's alot of using the arms. JJJ (like Don said) expands into manipulating the head where BJJ really only goes as far as the chokes.

This insight is really the basic idea for being a really good grappler and submitter.



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