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Old 08-05-2007, 05:34 PM   #11 (permalink)
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so what ratio of reps and sets should i do for strength gains? im not bothered if i put mass on or not.
and for example if i do 5x5 or something, should i do EVERY exercise as 5x5? or just some?
If you are gonna do 5x5 then search for Bill Starrs 5x5 Program. But a better one for beginners is Ripptoes. This is all assuming you are trying to build mass, not MMA strength.
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Old 08-05-2007, 05:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Bodybuilders look bigger because they are cut as hell.

If you strip the fat off those strongmen, theyd be bigger.
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Old 08-05-2007, 05:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Bodybuilders lift for definition as much as (or more than) strength. That's why your average bodybuilder only weighs around 225lbs.

Powerlifters lift just for strength. They do low reps with high weight to overload the muscle so that it grows back bigger, and eat much more food in order to give the muscle the materials that it needs to grow bigger. That's why your average strongman weighs around 330lbs.

Not to mention that bodybuilders tend to avoid working muscles that would give them a less appealing look or odd proportions (ie - core muscles) while powerlifters concentrate on the muscles that allow them to lift greater amounts of weight.

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Your muscles respond to training in three ways. When you train with high reps (more than 15), there is an increase in endurance with no substantive improvement in size or strength. The six to twelve rep range - the range that all big bodybuilders rely on - promotes an increase in both size and strength. Powerlifters generally stay with low reps, two to four per set, which supplements strength with slight variances in size.

However, if you set aside one week of training to pile on the weights with low reps the subsequent improvement in strength will make you stronger when you return to the six to twelve rep routine. Here's the formula: More strength equals more tension on the muscle equals more growth. "

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Old 08-05-2007, 05:49 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Bodybuilders look bigger because they are cut as hell.

If you strip the fat off those strongmen, theyd be bigger.
The top strongmen are just naturally huge guys, it's not that they have gained massive amounts of muscle mass. It's just you have to be that large to compete at the top level of strongmen.
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so what ratio of reps and sets should i do for strength gains? im not bothered if i put mass on or not.
and for example if i do 5x5 or something, should i do EVERY exercise as 5x5? or just some?
I've always found that the best gains in strength AND size came for me when I did heavier weights, lower reps. I keep things heavy enough that I can never do more than 8 reps (usually 6), and that three sets on each exercise is plenty. You can't work out like that every day, though...

I've tried high weight/low reps, low weight/high reps, high carb, low carb, all kinds of combinations. Lots of weight and lots of protein (especially high-quality protein) has always come out the most effective.
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The top strongmen are just naturally huge guys, it's not that they have gained massive amounts of muscle mass. It's just you have to be that large to compete at the top level of strongmen.
It's that they were born with more muscle fibers. When you work out and your muscles grow, you don't get more fibers... the fibers just get bigger.

Since there's a limit to how large cells can get and still keep functioning correctly, how large you can ultimately get is very dependent upon how many muscle fibers you start out with.
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If you are gonna do 5x5 then search for Bill Starrs 5x5 Program. But a better one for beginners is Ripptoes. This is all assuming you are trying to build mass, not MMA strength.
no, as i said i want to gain functional mma strength
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Old 08-06-2007, 11:55 AM   #18 (permalink)
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no, as i said i want to gain functional mma strength
Both of those programs are based around strength gains and functional mma strength, not mass.
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Old 08-06-2007, 04:28 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Both of those programs are based around strength gains and functional mma strength, not mass.
i said i wanted to gain functional strength, and Shogun_is_Champ recommened the 5x5 programmes and said he was assuming i wanted to gain mass, not strength which i dont.
now your saying the opposite? :S
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Bodybuilders lift for definition as much as (or more than) strength. That's why your average bodybuilder only weighs around 225lbs.

Powerlifters lift just for strength. They do low reps with high weight to overload the muscle so that it grows back bigger, and eat much more food in order to give the muscle the materials that it needs to grow bigger. That's why your average strongman weighs around 330lbs.

Not to mention that bodybuilders tend to avoid working muscles that would give them a less appealing look or odd proportions (ie - core muscles) while powerlifters concentrate on the muscles that allow them to lift greater amounts of weight.

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