Originally Posted by wukkadb
Lol, you are wrong on all 3 accounts man, sorry to say! I have trained boxing and kicboxing, as well as bjj, and to me it seems like you are the one bluffing here. The major things used in a punch are your hips, core, and a bit of your shoulder. To throw a straight right you rotate your back hip to the left and snap your punch, using very little muscle in your arm, and relying primarily on your hips and rotation. This leads in to the second debate topic, which is abs and oblique. Having a strong core is probably the most important thing in striking/MMA. Without a strong core you will not develop much power, or rotational speed. Obliques also are related to your hip flexors and your hips, which are crucial to a good bjj/grappling game. About biceps and grappling, you are also incorrect. You don't use your biceps for a single leg, you just grab then leg and then use your leg drive to drive into their body, causing them to fall. Having strong biceps make very little difference in takedowns. As far as arm bars go, how do you use your biceps at all? You trap the arm with grip usually, or you can chicken wing(which I suppose uses your biceps a bit) and then you rotate your hips, lock in the arm bar, and RAISE YOUR HIPS to submit him.
Lol, First of all, I'm not bluffing, here's where I train:
Cutting Edge Martial Arts Jeet Kune Do Kali Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do Grappling Martial Arts Knife stick eskrima Classes
I know it's not proof, but whatever, I don't know if your training involves any more than YouTube instructional videos and hitting a heavy bag by yourself either. And I've been training wrestling/BJJ as well, although I didn't do wrestling in HS or anything so I wouldn't qualify as an expert.
As far as your points go, yes, boxing uses your core strength and rotation quite a bit. In fact, proper boxing technique for a straight right relies on pivoting your leg with the strike to put your hips into it. But you STILL snap your arm, and you STILL pressure with your biceps, getting a good extra chunk of power into it.. if you throw with JUST the hips and core, your arm would just flail out there like a sock. Try it. Now look at any good boxer.. and I mean ANY.. and tell me what their biceps look like. That's what I thought.
I suppose I can concede the abs point now that you mention it.. I never figured that the strength for the rotation would come from your abs/core, but sounds obvious now that I think of it. The rotation would still be more obliques than abs though. Fck it, just work out every muscle then I guess, they all help somewhere.
For the armbar example, yes, you pull back with your body and raise the hips once the armbar is locked in, but at that point strength doesn't matter anyway.. the guy's basically fukd. It's in getting to that point that your biceps come into play.. you're usually pulling it away from the guy to break it free before you can circle and lock it. And for a chickenwing/paintbrush, what muscle are you pushing with if not your bicep/tricep?
And the single leg might not have been the best example.. I always figured the guy would ground his leg down if you didn't have enough lifting strength with your bicep, but I suppose it doesn't take too much against an off the balance opponent. Then again, wrestling's not my forte. I stick with the striking points though.