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post #31 of 40 (permalink) Old 10-01-2007, 10:15 PM
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What do you mean metabolism is besides the point? LOL...metabolism IS the point. He has a high metabolism, and so do I. It's hard for us to gain weight because we METABOLISE our food too quickly. What is beside the point is eating a 4K healthy calorie diet. Nobody ever said they were eating a bunch of good food and not gaining a pound. The guy said he ate a bunch and could eat whatever he wanted and not gain any weight and you bluntly called him a liar, so I put in my 2 cents.

I'm sure you are right that we would gain weight eating a 4k a day healthy calorie diet, but that's not what either of us were talking about.

And you are also right about eating junk doesn't always mean you will gain weight, in fact that is the exact point me and the other guy are making. I learned that that doesn't work, which is why I don't eat like that anymore and haven't in a long, long time. Not everyone has the time/money/energy to eat 4,000 healthy calories per day.
It's hard for you, I agree, but you said you have tried for a year non stop eating whenever you wanted, and whatever you wanted, and A LOT of calories. Obviously you didn't eat that many calories, or you would of gained weight as well. Using your metabolism as an excuse is stupid, because anyone can gain weight, whether you're metabolism is high or not, you're just not trying hard enough. This whole, "my metabolism is super high, I can't gain any weight! I eat soooo much too!" shit just gets on my nerves




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No I'm 19 and have been playing for a team since I was 4, but started messing around with soccer at like 2. And I have my chart at the doctors office that says I don't gain weight even if I eat whatever.I weighed 135 for about 2 years. I only recently started gaining weight because I had a serious leg injury that required surgery and I coudn't use my leg for a while.
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usually doctors don't know anything about bodybuilding nutrition.. nor the sport .. so ignore them when they talk about stuff like that .. bmi says im obese .. but they know im not close to being obese .. so they got no clue what to tell me.. but theres no need cus i know what im doing

summing up / clarifying / adding to wukkadb's discussion : you can't cheat the law of thermodynamics
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I'm pretty sure doctors know how to read a scale. And what I'm saying is I stayed the same weight for about 2 years.
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it's true that it's kind of pricey to eat a ton of healthy calories, usually lean protein (beef, seafood) is expensive and combining it with supplements could drain your wallet pretty quick. you would have to pick and choose carefully

I was told that if yr lifting, you should take more vitamin C. ALso there is evidence to support that fish oil helps maintain metabolism and stabilize mood, couldn't hurt.


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why 225g of protein?

why are you recommending so much whey?

do you work for EAS?

why do you think he needs "a ton" of protein?
225g of protein would be 1.5g per lb bodyweight (150lbs), which is commonly recommended if you're trying to gain muscle mass. You're right, I messed up on the whey recommendation. I meant 225g of protein per day, not necessarily all whey. Whey is good in morning or post-workout, but casein and other slower absorbing proteins are better throughout the day and before bed. My bad with the 225g of whey. I'm blaming that on working grave shifts. I explained it more clearly on post #17 to clear that up.

Nope, I don't work for EAS, but I've loved their stuff since I was in high school and stuck with it ever since. mlsman mentioned EAS and I wasn't meaning to plug the company or anything.

I told brfighter that he should be eating a ton of food (in general) at his age, not specifically protein. I looked back and it does read that way though, my bad again. Honestly, I'm always against supps unless they're absolutely necessary for someone to achieve their goals. That's why I encouraged them to evaluate their diet first.
I hope that clears up any confusion. Sorry about that.
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Regarding the metabolism issue, I was totally with wukkadb until a friend of mine proved me wrong. He was 6'1", 135, and ate like a freakin horse. I witnessed him out-eat me many times, and he'd be eating often throughout the day. He drank, and smoked weed, both of which would assist in weight gain in some form. THC sticks to fat cells (hence it staying in your system longer than most drugs), and we all know about the munchies. I kept telling him to eat more, eat more, and he started taking weight gainer 1850 or some crap like that, and he STILL never gained weight. He lifted, and never did any sort of cardio, as he was a lazy bastard. I still believe that in most cases people are able to gain weight if they really apply themselves and do the right stuff. However, I have found an exception to the rule, and that guy is absolutely hopeless when it comes to gaining weight. I hope, mlsman, you take a break from running and eat eat eat. If you find the uncontrollable urge to run, run up a steep hill or mountain if there's one around you. Take stairs, or something to make it more anaerobic. Or an escalator. That should keep you from burning too many calories. Good luck. I hope you're not stuck in bean-pole form forever.
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It's hard for you, I agree, but you said you have tried for a year non stop eating whenever you wanted, and whatever you wanted, and A LOT of calories. Obviously you didn't eat that many calories, or you would of gained weight as well. Using your metabolism as an excuse is stupid, because anyone can gain weight, whether you're metabolism is high or not, you're just not trying hard enough. This whole, "my metabolism is super high, I can't gain any weight! I eat soooo much too!" shit just gets on my nerves
Well, I actually did eat a shitload of calories. Not 4,000 but more closer 3,000-3,200. I know I could have eaten more but I was only like 16 and I didn't really give a shit. I took in a shitload of calories for a guy my size, but I also was extremely active, and burned a shitload of calories. I burned up all the calories because I have a HIGH METABOLISM.
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225g of protein would be 1.5g per lb bodyweight (150lbs), which is commonly recommended if you're trying to gain muscle mass. You're right, I messed up on the whey recommendation. I meant 225g of protein per day, not necessarily all whey. Whey is good in morning or post-workout, but casein and other slower absorbing proteins are better throughout the day and before bed. My bad with the 225g of whey. I'm blaming that on working grave shifts. I explained it more clearly on post #17 to clear that up.

Nope, I don't work for EAS, but I've loved their stuff since I was in high school and stuck with it ever since. mlsman mentioned EAS and I wasn't meaning to plug the company or anything.

I told brfighter that he should be eating a ton of food (in general) at his age, not specifically protein. I looked back and it does read that way though, my bad again. Honestly, I'm always against supps unless they're absolutely necessary for someone to achieve their goals. That's why I encouraged them to evaluate their diet first.
I hope that clears up any confusion. Sorry about that.
I thought I was going to clear up your confusion 8-) .. but alright cool no problem

but he probably doesn't really need 225g of protein, that guideline for an average natural bodybuilder, not skinny teens wanting to gain muscle. carbs=you'll grow

eas is expensive, i don't recommend buying those brands unless you've got nothing else to spend your money on.. as it doesn't make much difference, if any, at all. although.. the labels on the tub might boost your confidence..
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I have stopped the running. It was just that I had two a days for four years with high school and club every day. And because I live in Tx we play year round, so there isn't any real brake. And I have been with my club coach since I was 10 and he is an Olympic level coach, so he takes conditioning very seriously.
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