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Old 10-31-2007, 04:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Anyone have an suggestion on a supplement that would be useful to gain muscle after weight training? I am looking for a good price too I don't want to spend to much on supplements.
Supplements? None, save your money.

Want to gain muscle? Post your whole diet here and training routine along with your stats.
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Old 10-31-2007, 05:10 PM   #12 (permalink)
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if you take creatine, don't take monohydrates. they store excess water moreso than creatine ester. when you stop taking the monohydrates you lose the excess water and you will appear to lose a lot of mass. the esters wont make you retain as much water.
Use of a weapon, please stop posting on here what the label on the products you are selling says. misleading info. this place is to help, not the opposite.
olympic athletes use monohydrate?
have a read : Creatine Ethyl Ester: The Best Creatine or a Supplement Fallacy?

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As for creatine I would choose CEE over Monohydrate. CEE absorbs better. Right now the best one availabe would be BSN CellMass.
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Old 10-31-2007, 06:04 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I would first start of with a whey and some creatine. As for creatine I would choose CEE over Monohydrate. CEE absorbs better. Right now the best one availabe would be BSN CellMass. As for whey I would go with Optinum Nutrition or Cytosport.
I used Cellmass and SizeOn and they don't even compare to what I got with Vitargo CGL


Please take a look at this product and give it a crack you won't be dissappointed and unlike Size-On and Cellmass you don;t need to cycle off.

CEE is better absorbed but from what I have seen has very minimal effects.

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Old 11-01-2007, 09:55 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Use of a weapon, please stop posting on here what the label on the products you are selling says. misleading info. this place is to help, not the opposite.
olympic athletes use monohydrate?
have a read : Creatine Ethyl Ester: The Best Creatine or a Supplement Fallacy?


same for you
By posting from this website you are doing essentially what you have told me not to do. the info may support the other side of the argument, but don't think for a second that it is purely factual. dont mistake an article containing facts for a factual article or an actual medical study.

In most cases websites ending in .com or .net or websites featuring advertising are usually unreliable sources and are not considered scholarly (meaning the information contained therein is not found to be accurate by the scientific community and is often influenced by outside influence like sponsors or in many cases the non-professional studies are flawed). the exceptions would be websites that cite a professional study or scholarly article, which will appear at the end of the article or in a link off to one of the sides that says "citations" or "sources". The article you listed did give it's sources. unfortunately it's primary source was ChemPharma International who, in their own words, describe themselves as,
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The ChemPharma(R) professional association is a nation-wide organization of business and technical executives in the Chemical, Life Sciences, Pharmaceutical and allied industries committed to the advancement of such industries through the exchange of information, educational programs and personal contact fostering career and business development
that right there should send up the red flags. they do research for BUSINESSES. they make money from researching retail products.

now, from that i will say that the information I provided was in accord with a study which I unfortunately failed to bookmark and could not find to reproduce here. (my browser deletes all cookies after 48 hours)it is also notable that YOUR article acknowledged that one of the supports for CEE was that it was absorbed more efficiently and thus less was needed to achieve the same effect. since unused creatine is passed out in your urine, you benefit from having to take less of it. passing the excess can cause a strain on your kidneys- this is true with vitamins and caffeine as well.

i have no problem with you saying you disagree, but you seem to come off as accusatory and insulting in most of your replies to my posts.

as for your statement about Olympiads using monohydrates, of course they do. most professional and many amateur sportsmen do. but just because someone uses something doesnt make it the best. I use crest toothpaste. however, randy couture uses aquafresh. by your reasoning aquafresh is better because it is used by a pro athlete.

for the record though, i don't use creatine and i dont trust it. there have been too many studies proving that protein supplementation causes the same growth in strength as creatine supplementation. in addition, even monohydrate hasnt been on the market long enough for scientists to determine the possible repercussions of taking it.
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Old 11-04-2007, 03:03 AM   #15 (permalink)
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