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Old 12-07-2007, 07:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm a high school wrestler and I'm not sure when it happened, but i was getting up from the mat and it felt like something was wrong with my chest. I could still breath so i brushed it off. The next day though when i woke up it felt like someone was stabbing a knife through my chest out my right delt. I can breath in but thats about it, even pushing or pulling something with my right arm makes my chest and back hurt. has anyone ever had this happened? I don't know how to treat this, especially since i have practice every day besides sundays.
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Old 12-07-2007, 08:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I periodically end up with bruised ribs from JJ/Wrestling at the gym. All I do is pop 3-4 Ibuprofen about an hour before going to the gym and the pain is dulled enough that it doesn't affect my performance. If its REALLY bad I'll add on 2 Tylenol. I'm not a doctor, but did research taking Tylenol and Ibu together, and there are a few studies that say it's okay.
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I play rugby, and I bruised my sternum and right chest area when a friend of mine took me down (he's around 300 pounds). It sucks, but you can't practice full out, you should wait about a week before doing any real wrestling.

Stick to cardio and techniques, but don't do anything reall stressful or it'll only get worse and keep ailing you.

sure, you're not gonna die, but if you don't chill out and let it heal, you're not gonna get better.

About Ibuprofen and Tylenol, that shit's Dangerous. Taking that TOGETHER!? Sove, don't do that again. For real. That'll come back to bite you in the ass, it's not worth it in the long run, it's your internal organs we're taking about.
a few studies say it's ok,
hundreds, thousands, or more say it's NOT. Don't take that risk.
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Old 12-08-2007, 04:40 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I play rugby, and I bruised my sternum and right chest area when a friend of mine took me down (he's around 300 pounds). It sucks, but you can't practice full out, you should wait about a week before doing any real wrestling.

Stick to cardio and techniques, but don't do anything reall stressful or it'll only get worse and keep ailing you.

sure, you're not gonna die, but if you don't chill out and let it heal, you're not gonna get better.

About Ibuprofen and Tylenol, that shit's Dangerous. Taking that TOGETHER!? Sove, don't do that again. For real. That'll come back to bite you in the ass, it's not worth it in the long run, it's your internal organs we're taking about.
a few studies say it's ok,
hundreds, thousands, or more say it's NOT. Don't take that risk.
I appreciate your concern, but I rarely take them together. Also, I can't seem to find any reference to problems from taking them together. I guess they work on the body in different ways. If you can find a source that says otherwise, I'll seriously consider never doing it again.
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Old 12-08-2007, 06:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I was refering to my doctor and my father (who is also a doctor), Because when I got injured I took Ibuprofen and tylenol, etc, and they both spazed on me lol.
So i'll see if I can get some more substantial evidence, but just avoid that kind of use of drugs, it's a lot more risk than is necessary for such a minor injury.

It'll heal up real fast, depending on your recovery rate.
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Old 12-08-2007, 06:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I was refering to my doctor and my father (who is also a doctor), Because when I got injured I took Ibuprofen and tylenol, etc, and they both spazed on me lol.
So i'll see if I can get some more substantial evidence, but just avoid that kind of use of drugs, it's a lot more risk than is necessary for such a minor injury.

It'll heal up real fast, depending on your recovery rate.
Thanks man! I wasn't trying to be an ass or anything... but I don't want to hurt myself, so let me know if you find something. For the most part, I was only taking them together in the lead-up to a grappling competition. I had a pulled muscle in my back that made it hurt like hell to breathe without both pain relievers. I did it a few times, competed, and then took a few days off to heal up.
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:50 AM   #7 (permalink)
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From what I've been told by doctors and nurses since high school, is that Ibuprofen is associated with kidney problems whereas Acetaminophen is associated with liver problems.

If you're in a lot of pain and these are all you have available, it is actually better to alternate small amounts of both than to take large amounts of either one.

Acetaminophen: You should never exceed 4000mg of Acetaminophen in a day, but toxicity would only likely occur if you take 4000mg per day consistently. A sudden toxicity could be caused by an intake of about 7000-10000mg in a day in an average person, or at 150mg/kg. I currently weigh around 205, so that would make almost 14000mg! It would take a suicide attempt to reach that level in a day. That's why most occurences of toxicity are due to chronic high intake. The numbers look funny, but that's because the toxicity rate is variable from person to person.
Toxicity could cause liver damage or failure, possibly leading to death if not treated quickly.

Ibuprofen: I've been directed by a doctor to take as much as 1000mg of Ibuprofen at a time up to six times daily for back pain, but that doesn't even get close to the toxic baseline of 100mg/kg. That would be over 9300mg for me. Oh, by the way, this is on a dose by dose basis. I'd either have to take 50 ibu tabs in a day, or take ibuprofen at high doses daily to get toxic effects.
Toxicity usually leads to abdominal pain, dizziness, nausea, headaches (ironically), and all those typical symptoms you always hear about, except for maybe anal leakage. I don't think it causes that. Anyway, more severe effects have been reported like kidney failure, seizures, cardiac arrests, or GI bleeding, but these are the extremely rare cases you always hear about. Kidney failure is the big one with Ibuprofen.

I do not encourage anybody to take either of these unless it's absolutely necessary. I don't even like to take supplements unless I really need them. The super high dosages that lead to toxicity actually shocked me because they make it seem like it would be really hard to suffer any ill effects. However, I am still skeptical of their safety, even in large doses suggested by a doctor. I've expressed this concern with a doctor when I hurt my back a long time ago, and they encouraged me to stagger Ibuprofen and Acetaminophen in smaller doses if I was uncomfortable taking that much ibuprofen. I was never told to take them both at the same time, but there would be no adverse effects from taking both multiple times throughout a day.

Just a tip... take a dose with a glass of milk or something to eat. Consistently taking these will be dangerous for your stomach, and giving it something to sit with will be much safer.

I guess my summary would be to forget about the dosages that may lead to toxicity, and only take what you think is absolutely necessary. While both Ibuprofen and Acetaminophen products are very safe, they can easily be abused. Never take either one consistently for weeks at a time. If you have chronic pain, see a doctor, don't rely on pain relievers to get you through life. I hope this helped someone.
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Old 12-10-2007, 11:20 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 12-11-2007, 02:14 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Ibuprofen: I've been directed by a doctor to take as much as 1000mg of Ibuprofen at a time up to six times daily for back pain, but that doesn't even get close to the toxic baseline of 100mg/kg.
Holy lord! I thought I was taking a lot when I was taking 3!!! And 3 was enough to take the pain of a pulled muscle enough to allow me to train. While I'm not planning on taking that much (100mg)... EVER, it's nice to know I can up it a little if necessary. For the record, I haven't taken any pain relievers in a couple weeks (I think). I do try to avoid them unless absolutely necessary for training.
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Yeah, if you take anything away from my earlier rambling, it's to only take something if you absolutely need it. I know people from my old work (lumberyard, lots of back problems there) who would carry a bottle with them and take them throughout the day. It became a habit for them, even if they weren't in pain, they would take it to 'prevent' pain. Even when I hurt my back, I only took the 1000mg when it was excruciating and I still had to lift stuff at work. Most of the time I dealt with it because I hate taking any sort of meds. Doc gave me a bunch of percocet when I had my wisdom teeth taken out. I took half of one the first day and flushed the rest. I work with kids who abuse that shit, so I try to keep my distance. Kind of a paranoia thing. I figure if you can make it through some consistently intense pain, most other pain in life wont be so bad.
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