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Armbar 4 30.77%
Kneebar 0 0%
Wristlock 0 0%
Anklelock 1 7.69%
Kimura 2 15.38%
Naked choke 5 38.46%
Triangle choke 1 7.69%
Neck crank 0 0%
Strikes 0 0%
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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-09-2006, 04:31 AM
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I love the Triangle choke but i like the Kirmura after seeing Matt Hughes lock that in.

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Yeah. Hughes' kimura on Riggs was definitely a good use of a submission that we don't see very often. There are a few really good reasons why we don't see kimuras in UFC, mostly because if your opponent gets their hands free then you're going to take a couple of elbows to the face before you can resteady your mount.

Armbar and triangle are definitely somthing that we see alot on the ground, but in the heavier divisions there is alot of standing and striking so we see alot fo the guillotine takedown counter and alot of the triangle choke from people over committing while being trapped in someone's guard.



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Thats what make Hughes so great. The fact that Riggs couldnt get a arm free. Hell if you think about it, it sounds easy to do but with a guy like Hughes it hard as hell.

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Thats what make Hughes so great. The fact that Riggs couldnt get a arm free. Hell if you think about it, it sounds easy to do but with a guy like Hughes it hard as hell.
Hughes is strong, but the only reason that Diesel didn't get out of it was because he hadn't been training to deal with submissions. He figured that Hughes would just groundnpound him.

I looked back on my last few fights and I realized that even though I'm usually a jiu-jitsu guy I've won the last 3 fights by submissio due to strikes. I think there's this advantage to using the mount and just pounding.

My vote's still for armbar, but I think that the groundnpound is the most dangerous for thicker buys like me when they're fighting in their own weightclass.



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Favorite submission hold to finish with? Probably the Head-and-Arm choke aka Arm Triangle. A lot of guys just end up falling into position to get caught by this, whether they be standing, on top or on the bottom.

My favorite submission hold to work from is the Ude Garami (Judo: Entangled Armlock), aka "Americana/Keylock" in the overhead version or "Kimura" in the underarm version. Not only is this a great way to finish in general, but I've been able to set up Armbars, taking the back, the HAC, and even Kneebars (thank you Bas Rutten) by threatening this hold. It's probably one of the most versatile of offensive weapons when on the ground.

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There is actually a submission that I came across a little while ago that isn't as practical as the ones on my list, but I like it all the same. The Legs Crucifix. Here's a link on BJJ, just to give you an idea:

http://bjj.org/techniques/craigwallace/crucifix/

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That is a hell of a neck crank. For taller opponents one submission hold I like going for is the BJJ Footlock/Achilles Ankle Lock. Taller guys tend to forget where their feet are at (especially after fighting for upper body control on the ground), and with enough distraction you can completely make them forget about whether their legs are safe. In which case, falling onto the ankle is usually very easy.

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wow looks really hard to acheive that move and a simple collar choke would be easier.

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wow looks really hard to acheive that move and a simple collar choke would be easier.
Actually, it's just a simple adjustment from an armbar once your opponent has lost their balance and is in a sitting position. A collar choke might be easier to get initially, but it's an entirely different set of steps than this one.



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