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ex-bouncer 03-06-2008 06:10 PM

How to lose 30 pounds in 30 days
I tried everything from the rice diet too jenny craig all were good but nothing like when I bought my vita mix. If you follow the recipes to the T you will have no problem loosing weight.

davidm724 03-06-2008 08:13 PM

Sounds like script from an infomercial.

recon6991 03-07-2008 07:30 AM

Im not very well educated on nutrition on what not, but losing that much weight that quickly doesn't seem all that healthy

Pop'n'Shroomz 03-07-2008 03:01 PM

*Deep sigh*


ex-bouncer 03-07-2008 03:21 PM

3500 calories =1 pound of fat
the average man needs 2200-2500 calories per day if you can consume 2500 then loose 800 doing cardio.
1800 calories needed to sustain 3500
=1900 calories per day

davidm724 03-07-2008 06:27 PM

I have no idea what that's supposed to mean. The math doesn't even add up right. You'd have to be losing one pound per day to achieve this goal. I know one pound of fat is 3500 calories, but how is this example showing a pound of weight loss daily? I know there are other factors such as thermogenics, individual's body composition, blah blah blah, but you are using only numbers that don't add up. You're just confusing people, so please if you're not joking around, elaborate a little.

ex-bouncer 03-08-2008 01:21 AM

I understand there are two ways to loose weight one calorie reduction there other is through exercise. I think it best be said that according to nazi studies 2-3 pounds a week of weight loss was the maximum.
however the Dr. Berstein clinic where patients are given 1000 calories per day this changes everything especially when 3500 calories a day needed in order
to maintain 1 pound of fact. Also as you sleep your body burns calories. lets say that if you were eating a 1000 a day plus that which you burned as you slept you could be close to 2500 c a day totaling 25000 c loss every ten days. remember muscle also burns fat which leads to additional weight loss even though according to research previously mentioned as being not possible theoretically it is worth noting. you may not loose the full 30 but the even 15 would be great. this is how boxers become thin.

davidm724 03-08-2008 02:44 AM

Actually, anything under 1200 calories (roughly, since everyone is different) is considered borderline starvation, and your body goes into surivival mode. You literally shock your system, and your metabolism drops. You could say, you need to eat to lose weight. You just have to eat right. If you eat 1600 calories a day for a month, you'll lose more than if you eat 1000 calories a day for a month. What's even worse is that when you go back to eating normal (because NOBODY is going to stick to a 1000 cal/day diet) you will begin to gain the weight back because your metabolism has been dropped. You are correct that you burn calories while you sleep, especially after a day involving exercise. Your body is always burning calories, just trying to maintain full function. That's thermogenics. If you have a steady diet (good or bad), and you consistently maintain your weight, you can find your average daily caloric intake, which is a great way to establish a baseline, and go from there. Maybe you maintain at 4000, maybe you maintain at 2500, but you should never drop your intake to below 1200 calories. I wouldn't even go under 1500.
A very common misconception is that you would lose more weight with the less you eat and the more you exercise. This is where people get very frustrated, because they'll eat next to nothing for a couple weeks or longer before they finally give up. Maybe they lose a few pounds, but most likely the body has started to eat away at muscle, which is the last thing you want (because as you stated, muscle is our metabolism). I would think that boxers would become thin through training and a good diet, not necessarily through starvation. Any active athlete should be eating much more than that, since they need to feed their muscles and have fuel for their lifestyle. If Floyd Mayweather was on this diet, he'd be looking like a starving Ethiopian in no time. Ok, I went on probably too much, but I am just trying to clear this up and see where you're coming from. What do you mean by Nazi studies?

ex-bouncer 03-08-2008 12:11 PM

Nazi studies were conducted on concentration inmates it was determined that no matter how fat they were or how thin they were that they a lost the same amount pounds this indicated that the metabolic rate must be set in stone. much like gravity. these studies were used to determine if a large person could loose weight quicker than a small person and it was determined under starvation diet that they lost roughly the same 2-3 pounds per week.

davidm724 03-08-2008 09:48 PM

Ok, then these studies were conducted some 60 years ago. Science has come a long way. I think it's pretty unanimous among health and fitness professionals that not only is everyone's metabolism different, but each individual's metabolism can change depending on their current lifestyle/diet. The human body resists change. That is why we hit plateaus in muscle and strength gains or fat loss. If needed, the body will modify its metabolism to keep from changing its composition. If it is starved, it will lower the amount of energy it uses per day. This is dangerous of course, especially if you're training during a starvation diet. However, one thing I believe may be true about your claim is that during a starvation diet, maybe everyone's metabolism drops to the same "survival" level. That would mean that no matter what one's metabolism was like before (two individuals burning 1800 and 3000 cal/day for example), when their body goes into starvation mode, maybe their metabolism drops to something like 800 calories. There might be a baseline metabolism of the human body, but still I believe everyone's metabolism would be different depending on their body composition. For example, an individual who is 6'2" would require more energy per day than one who is 5'2", simply because they have more to maintain, even in the same starving stage. I'm probably looking way too into this, but the thing is, no athlete (or anyone else for that matter) should put himself on this sort of diet. Obviously it is coming from concentration camp studies, where the Nazis probably wanted to feed each person as little as possible without actually starving them to death. This sort of "diet" causes the body to scrounge for sources of energy, often from muscle as well as fat. Nobody wants that, even if they're trying to drop a lot of weight. Thanks for continuing to explain. Let me know if I'm totally missing something.

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