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Old 04-06-2008, 01:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Pull ups: How many to do?

Okay, so I can only do like 2 chin ups and 1 pull up (just started) and I need to use a chair for a little assistance for now. I pull out 10 struggling on that last one. I do 5 different sets and combinations of pulls up.

My question is how many pull ups should I be doing for physique vs. power? I know 8-10 reps is money for size (physique category for me) and I guess 5 and < for power when doing other exercises.

Thing is, I'm not sure the same applies for pull ups though because your using so many different muscles. Now that I think about it I'm not even sure why that would matter at all...but why not ask?

Also, should I do pull-ups for power one day, then pull ups for size/shape/physique another and pull ups for endurance (like 20) the next?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: One more thing...will push ups and pull ups alone give me this type of chest SHAPE? http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thu...upper_body.jpg (I know for size I'll need to add weight to the push ups and do some flys)

I'm not working out mainly for looks either, I just figure I might as well sculpt my body the way I want it while I'm doing all this. I cant stand seeing pecs that are thin up top, medium in the middle, HUGE on the bottom. I'd like to sculpt pecs that are the same all the way through, or thicker up top than down below. Thanks.

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Old 04-07-2008, 01:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You can only do so much in the gym regarding physique. You arms, abs, chest etc... can be sculpted but in order to looked ripped or toned, you have to have the right diet. Using abs as an example, you can't do 1,000 sit ups a day and expect to have RIPPED/CUT abs. Yes, you'll have EXTREMELY strong abs, but not necessarily cut. 90% of looking toned, ripped, cut, whatever is due to your diet.

For power/strength, I would suggest keep working until you can do 10 reps WITHOUT assistance. Then strength and power will follow. Because you still need a chair or some type of assistance, apparently your arms aren't very strong. If that's the case, work slowly until you can do as many reps as you can WITHOUT assistance.
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Old 04-07-2008, 11:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I used to think the same thing. But the dude who posted before me is correct. Its a lot about your diet.
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:02 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Pullups are a bodyweight exercise, so you don't really have to worry about weight vs reps like you do with traditional weight lifting.

If you can do 1 pullup without assistance then you don't need assistance. Do your 1 pullup, let yourself down, rest, do another pullup, and repeat until you can't do any more pullups. When you're able to do 2 at a time start doing that, ect. I work my pullups into a circut with my pushups and russian twists and all that. 4 sets of 10 works for me, figure out what works for you.
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Old 04-09-2008, 08:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks all. YEah, my diet is pretty good right now. I only eat 50 carbs a day. The rest is protein. Also, I eat my carbs with protein and some olive oil to lower the GI rating of the already complex carbs, and get some good fats in me. Thats how I think it works anyway.

I plan to add carbs back into my diet next week. I don't think its a good idea to go too long without them. Can't wait for the extra energy.

I really like the pull up Idea. I'll work my way up that way, and when I'm ready I'll add it to my workout.

EDIT: I'm also doing P90x. I highly recommend it with some modifications for most.

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Old 04-09-2008, 09:01 PM   #6 (permalink)
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50 carbs a day is waaay too few to sustain a lifting regime. All depending on your daily caloric intake, you should be eating at least 100-150 carbs at a minimum every day. I personally eat around 300-350 carbs a day. You will also only be able to digest about twice your weight in grams of protein daily. So me, weighing 155 lbs, can't expect to see any benefit to more than 250-300 grams of protein daily.

Are you trying to lose weight? That's the only benefit I can see to lowering carb intake, but 50 carbs a day will leave your body lacking a ton of energy for your workouts.
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Old 04-10-2008, 12:44 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Oops, I meant 50 carbs per serving. I have 200 caarbs a day, and about 150-200 grams of protein. So, thats 1600 right there.

And I'm pretty confused...not sure If I want to lose weight yet because of strength. However, I am losing a bit. I lost 6 lbs in 4 weeks, but I've been working hard (Some cardio included). I go to the limit with every workout. So, I'm very confident that I've put on lots of muscle.

That, and I've upped my weights to double what I was lifting before (curls, lunges, etc. Pull ups tripled, and in only a week not even doing them right either). So, That said, I figure I can gain strength even when I do decide to cut some weight. Just need to add weight to pull ups and stuff like that. It'll be hard, but I gotta do what I gotta do for MMA.
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Old 04-10-2008, 02:37 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Do 8 sets of 2 reps with like 2-3 minutes rest between sets. Once you can do this pretty good switch it up to 5x5, then you can start adding weight after that. Cheers
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