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Old 05-22-2008, 10:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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supplements? - little help from those in the tha know?

I am just getting back in to training MMA religiously and am finding that I don't have as much energy/strength as I used to. I swim 3 x p/w and MMA 3 x p/w - looking to add weights in there 3 x aswell.

What supplements/shakes/whey stuff can I take that will help me train harder and recover quicker.

I'm just new to training with supplements of any kind so don't want anything thats gonna grow me a third nut. Just looking for energy for workouts and to drop weight and grow strength...?

is that too much to ask?

Help very much appreciated
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I dont know of anything that is going to grow you a third nut but here is the stack I am going to start next monday/tuesday.

ISS research super vitamin pack (daily vitamins)
Axis Labs BCAA Ethyl Ester ( bascially helps protein sythesis)
L-Glutamine 1000g (getting my L-glutamine)
BSN no-xplode (helps give some enegry,boost etc)
BSN Syntha -protein shake (using mixed with things as a meal replacement and protein shake)
Optimum ZMA (helps boost anabolic hormone levels)
Creatine Monohydrate

the ZMA I am not that familiar with but from the studies I have seen I wanted to try it.
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Old 05-22-2008, 04:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm just new to training with supplements of any kind so don't want anything thats gonna grow me a third nut.
if your diet is good:
most supplements don't help (or well, they may create an emperor's new clothes effect), some that are sometimes useful to make up for gaps in a good diet are a multi vitamin, flax seed oil, and maybe creatine, and some aminos if you're a vegetarian or something.
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Just looking for energy for workouts and to drop weight and grow strength...?
sort out your diet. sleep more. lower reps and lift heavier.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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if your diet is good:
most supplements don't help (or well, they may create an emperor's new clothes effect), some that are sometimes useful to make up for gaps in a good diet are a multi vitamin, flax seed oil, and maybe creatine, and some aminos if you're a vegetarian or something.

sort out your diet. sleep more. lower reps and lift heavier.
Yeah, this.

Supplements are overrated. They're meant to... well... supplement. Do the above, and make sure to drink at least 64oz of water a day.
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Old 05-23-2008, 07:42 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Yeah, this.

Supplements are overrated. They're meant to... well... supplement. Do the above, and make sure to drink at least 64oz of water a day.
I have always said the same thing about supplements, but I'm gonna give it a try just to see what training is like and the results from such training ON supplements.
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Old 05-23-2008, 01:45 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I dont know of anything that is going to grow you a third nut but here is the stack I am going to start next monday/tuesday.

ISS research super vitamin pack (daily vitamins)
Axis Labs BCAA Ethyl Ester ( bascially helps protein sythesis)
L-Glutamine 1000g (getting my L-glutamine)
BSN no-xplode (helps give some enegry,boost etc)
BSN Syntha -protein shake (using mixed with things as a meal replacement and protein shake)
Optimum ZMA (helps boost anabolic hormone levels)
Creatine Monohydrate

the ZMA I am not that familiar with but from the studies I have seen I wanted to try it.
Sounds a little advance for me right now - not sure if i'd be able to maintain somehting like that - but woudl be great to hear how it goes for you and if anything specifically is having results - ideally if I were to supplement i'd look for something that once removed from your diet won't lose excessive performance/strength/recovery

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if your diet is good:
most supplements don't help (or well, they may create an emperor's new clothes effect), some that are sometimes useful to make up for gaps in a good diet are a multi vitamin, flax seed oil, and maybe creatine, and some aminos if you're a vegetarian or something.

sort out your diet. sleep more. lower reps and lift heavier.
Great advice i'll stock up on these for sure - my job keeps me pretty short on hours for sleep unfortunately and i know this would really help a lot as I don't feel I am recovering much.

What about all these WHEY products/shakes? Is that anything worth looking into?

Thanks again!

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Old 05-23-2008, 03:08 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Sounds a little advance for me right now
no, it's actually just a hindrance you've passed. advanced trainers might use a couple of those product for some very specific reasons, not just "to get stronger" etc.

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Great advice i'll stock up on these for sure - my job keeps me pretty short on hours for sleep unfortunately and i know this would really help a lot as I don't feel I am recovering much.

What about all these WHEY products/shakes? Is that anything worth looking into?

Thanks again!

yea, protein powders are very convenient.. but don't solely rely on whey. variety is key. and whey is probably the best choice of protein after a workout. but those shakes you get and meal replacement stuff is just garbage

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Old 05-24-2008, 05:37 PM   #8 (permalink)
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First of all avoid Muscletech and BSN Products. Muslcetech is overpriced garbage. BSN is overpriced garbage as well, BSN also falsifies the ingredient on Cellmass and NO Xplode. It says it contains Creatine Ethyl Ester but actually contains Creatine Monohydrate in significantly large amounts.

Here are the basics you should have

-A Multivitamin/Mineral
-Fish Oil
-Alpha Lipoic Acid
-Joint Support Supplement
-CoQ-10
-A Decent Whey Protein Powder

if you are just getting started those are the basics
you may also want to consider

-L-Glutamine (Powder or Capsule form)
-BCAA's- (Liquid or Pill Form)

Things like Nitric Oxide, Creatine, Anything that messes with your hormones is completely unnecessary.

Nitric Oxide may be something you would use to get you going before your workout in terms of energy and endurance, but again if you are just starting out, you may want to wait to see if it's really something you need.

Creatine is big nowadays. Reduces Recovery time, draws water into the muscle cells for growth but after you stop using it, which you may have to do because it's fairly expensive, you lose all your gains and you might get stretch marks which are pretty unsightly.

Testosterone Boosters and procalimed "legal pro-hormones and pro-steroids" like Methyl 1-D are great products but again like with creatine results will eventually go away after you cycle off and cycling off is not a pleasant experience. Libido goes on vacation, your nuts with shrink up (but will eventually come back), energy levels go down, puffy nipples all that fun stuff.

Natural Testosterone Boosters like Tribulus are great but it's not enough that's going to make a HUGE difference.

Many people don't realize the supplements are only as good as your diet and exercise program. If you eat like shit, don't sleep enough and don't workout properly your supplements will be wasted. A Supplement is just that, A Supplementation to your diet and exercise program.

Good Luck and hope this helps
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I take soy protein when I need it, good oil(omega 3,6,9) and a multi vit. I think anything else is just overkill.
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I take soy protein when I need it, good oil(omega 3,6,9) and a multi vit. I think anything else is just overkill.
Is there a reason you prefer Soy to Whey Protein? Are you a vegetarian? Just Curious
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