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Old 08-03-2008, 02:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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listen and learn young fellow

there's no perfect diet

people have different goals

this guy here, he wants to gain strength and endurance, and drop some weight

i'm not telling him to completely ignore fats

your 'perfect' diet of 20% fats does not suit him, he wants to lose weight. He's very active (his work; endurance training; strength training)- so fat is not a preferred energy source - <10% fat diet for him would be ideal, eat the minimal needed to maintain good health ; take n3 supps ; he'll get fat from oils/eggs/beef and w/e he eats.

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Old 08-03-2008, 02:30 PM   #12 (permalink)
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listen and learn young fellow

there's no perfect diet

people have different goals

this guy here, he wants to gain strength and endurance, and drop some weight

i'm not telling him to completely ignore fats

your 'perfect' diet of 20% fats does not suit him, he wants to lose weight. He's very active (his work; endurance training; strength training)- so fat is not a preferred energy source - <10% fat diet for him would be ideal, eat the minimal needed to maintain good health ; take n3 supps ; he'll get fat from oils/eggs/beef and w/e he eats.

roger?
The goal of fat in your diet is never to be used as an energy source.

for example you need an outside source of fat to process your protein. I'm sure you'd have him only take in 5% of his calories as fat and only actually be able to process less than half of his protein intake.

Fat is also used a lot by your nervous system. 15-20% is the minimum fat intake any healthy diet should have. It doesn't matter what the goals are for that one. 30% is the maximum BTW

you know what will keep him losing fat? The fact that he's taking in minimal calories and getting all his proper nutrition.

if you want to actually learn something about nutrition stop reading women's health and start taking nutrition classes.
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Old 08-03-2008, 02:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The goal of fat in your diet is never to be used as an energy source.

for example you need an outside source of fat to process your protein. I'm sure you'd have him only take in 5% of his calories as fat and only actually be able to process less than half of his protein intake.

Fat is also used a lot by your nervous system. 15-20% is the minimum fat intake any healthy diet should have. It doesn't matter what the goals are for that one. 30% is the maximum BTW

you know what will keep him losing fat? The fact that he's taking in minimal calories and getting all his proper nutrition.

if you want to actually learn something about nutrition stop reading women's health and start taking nutrition classes.
Wow, arrogance... ignorance... the real keyboard warrior.

Your opening statement is completely false

: I'm not even going to bother explaining why, just read about ketosis ; TKD and other keto diets

Do you have anything to support this statement, "you need an outside source of fat to process your protein" ????


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you know what will keep him losing fat? The fact that he's taking in minimal calories and getting all his proper nutrition.
Losing fat isn't his only goal.

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It doesn't matter what the goals are for that one. 30% is the maximum BTW
Again, wrong. (see above)

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Old 08-03-2008, 02:55 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Wow, arrogance... ignorance... the real keyboard warrior.

Your opening statement is completely false

: I'm not even going to bother explaining why, just read about ketosis ; TKD and other keto diets

Do you have anything to support this statement, "you need an outside source of fat to process your protein" ????




Losing fat isn't his only goal.


Again, wrong. (see above)


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ohh yes keyboard warior

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/77/3/381.pdf

I can site stuff all day long supporting me. I learned what I know from textbooks. Not magazines.

if you want something specific to MMA you can even check out Martin Rooney's book "training for warriors" which even recommends keeping the fat portion of your diet to 30%!.

There's been more than one study that shows a healthy amount of fat in your diet helps to prevent catabolism.

you cut the fats out of your diet and expect to lose more muscle than fat. There's not a single study that shows otherwise. That I challenge YOU to find a source of...
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Old 08-03-2008, 03:05 PM   #15 (permalink)
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ohh yes keyboard warior

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/77/3/381.pdf

I can site stuff all day long supporting me. I learned what I know from textbooks. Not magazines.

if you want something specific to MMA you can even check out Martin Rooney's book "training for warriors" which even recommends keeping the fat portion of your diet to 30%!.

There's been more than one study that shows a healthy amount of fat in your diet helps to prevent catabolism.

you cut the fats out of your diet and expect to lose more muscle than fat. There's not a single study that shows otherwise. That I challenge YOU to find a source of...
LOL.

just let me quote myself

Be more specific, tackle a statement from the text below and lets work from there

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there's no perfect diet

people have different goals

this guy here, he wants to gain strength and endurance, and drop some weight

i'm not telling him to completely ignore fats

your 'perfect' diet of 20% fats does not suit him, he wants to lose weight. He's very active (his work; endurance training; strength training)- so fat is not a preferred energy source - <10% fat diet for him would be ideal, eat the minimal needed to maintain good health ; take n3 supps ; he'll get fat from oils/eggs/beef and w/e he eats.
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Old 08-03-2008, 03:13 PM   #16 (permalink)
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LOL.

just let me quote myself

Be more specific, tackle a statement from the text below and lets work from there
20% is the low side of the amount of fat you should have in your diet. It's what I like to keep because it will maintain lean mass but is enough that you know you're going to avoid catabolism.

Beef is high in saturated (bad) fats. Unless he's using olive oil for all his cooking it's not going to be healthy fats he's getting there.

nuts are good snack foods. High proteins and good sources of fats. Really good metabolism boosters. 20 almonds and a bannana would generally be my AM snack if I were in his situation. Lots of energy and good balance of nutrition.

the real point you were wrong in tho is the <10% fat would be good. It doesn't matter what you're goals are <10% fat=catabolism no matter how you slice it. You'll lose more muscle than fat on a diet like that. I don't know anyone who has that goal...


Not part of the debate here but Milk is a great source of protein. 8 grams of protein in every cup of skim you drink.

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Old 08-03-2008, 03:30 PM   #17 (permalink)
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20 almonds and a bannana would generally be my AM snack if I were in his situation. Lots of energy and good balance of nutrition.
yeah, nutritional and lots of energy, true
but contradictory to his goals
as
you spike insulin with a sugary banana
then throw in fats...
not ideal LOL

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the real point you were wrong in tho is the <10% fat would be good. It doesn't matter what you're goals are <10% fat=catabolism no matter how you slice it. You'll lose more muscle than fat on a diet like that. I don't know anyone who has that goal...
elaborate.. explain why the body would break down muscle tissue under those circumstances : active lifestyle/intense routine + the body with loaded glycogen stores
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yeah, nutritional and lots of energy, true
but contradictory to his goals
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you spike insulin with a sugary banana
then throw in fats...
not ideal LOL


elaborate.. explain why the body would break down muscle tissue under those circumstances : active lifestyle/intense routine + the body with loaded glycogen stores
because that's what your body does when it's malnourished.

Seriously take 40 bucks go to your local community college and take a nutrition class...
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:08 PM   #19 (permalink)
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yes it tends to... but here it's not even close to being malnourished.

nutrition class? 40 bucks? that shows how cheap your knowledge is
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If your goal is to lose fat, you should be cutting out carbs before you cut out fat
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