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post #11 of 33 (permalink) Old 02-13-2009, 10:11 PM Thread Starter
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I really really want to try blood doping. No joke, but roids... no.
Blood Doping as in using EPO or injecting your own blood the day before a race/event?

Because both of those are extremely dangerous, even more so than doing a hardcore cycle of AAS.

I know of people who have died of strokes from blood doping. If you ever do it, I'd be careful.
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I really really want to try blood doping. No joke, but roids... no.
F that action. Intervals, training vacation at altitude, or just plain old HTFU!!

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I dont really know why everyone is talking about the risks. If you do a proper cycle with PCT you will be fine. Doctors give patients the damn things for shits sake, if you use steroids as a tool instead of an answer they will reap great benefits.

I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically.
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No, but I know I will when I start to plateau properly.

But I still won't, I know I never will. It's just not something I could ever justify to myself.
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I dont really know why everyone is talking about the risks. If you do a proper cycle with PCT you will be fine. Doctors give patients the damn things for shits sake, if you use steroids as a tool instead of an answer they will reap great benefits.
true if you use them as a tool. But most people I know who use dont ever want to stop. It totally messes your testosterone up and the next thing they do is take nolvadex with it just to stop Man Tits. When you stop using it takes a long time for your body to produce test on its own again cause the body stops making it naturally as soon as you start shooting it. After you finally stop ,if you do, HELLO depression and goodbye recover,power, and endureance.
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true if you use them as a tool. But most people I know who use dont ever want to stop. It totally messes your testosterone up and the next thing they do is take nolvadex with it just to stop Man Tits. When you stop using it takes a long time for your body to produce test on its own again cause the body stops making it naturally as soon as you start shooting it. After you finally stop ,if you do, HELLO depression and goodbye recover,power, and endureance.


Go read up on steroids then come back. You shouldn't take it when you're young because you still produce enough free test naturally, thats why you should wait until your testes slow down. Not everyone gets man tits haha, PCT is for libido, man tits, bloating etc. Where the hell did you get depression, shitty recovery, loss of power and endurance ? Steroids aren't the anti Christ, they are great for what they are meant for. I know a bunch of old dudes who used to be on AAS and they are still monsters, and happy as well. I know younger guys who have some side effects, but hell every medication out there has side effects. Yet again, a proper cycle will yield no serious negative results unless you have a such a personality that AAS will just bring out your flaws and you lack ability to control them (roid rage). I've been reading about AAS for a few years now, and no article or author or user has said they get depressed and lose everything they gained after stopping. Depression comes from codependence, ever known a heavy pot smoker to quit? Same thing.

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I DONT REALLY NEED TO READ UP ON ANYTHING ,IVE EXPERIENCED FIRST HAND AND THE DEPRESSION COMES FROM YOURE MESSED UP TEST LEVEL AND GOING BACK TO FEELING AND LOOKING THE SAME WAY YOU WERE BEFORE YOU USED THEM. hAVING TO TRAIN HARDER AND REST MORE CAUSE YOU CANT RECOVER TO KEEP UP THE PACE YOU USED TO KEEP. I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A PROPER STEROID CYCLE BEING A BAD THING TO GAIN SOME WEIGHT GET STRONGER FASTER OR WHATEVER, IM SAYING THAT THEY ARE HARD TO QUIT. ITS LIKE GETTING A BREAST IMPLANT ON A WOMAN THAT LASTS 4 MONTHS THEN SHE GOES BACK TO NORMAL, BUT AS LONG AS SHE KEEPS INJECTING HERSELF WITH THE CURE SHE CONTINUES TO HAVE NICE BREASTS BUT HER LIVER WOULD START SUFFERING JUST LIKE ANY STEROID HEADS DOES THATS WHY THEY TAKE SO MUCH MILK THISTLE TO HELP KEEP THE LIVER ENZYMES DOWN. DID YOU SEE THE POWER LIFTERS IN BIGGER STRONGER FASTER? THE OLD ONE, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUSH 800 LBS WITH THEIR LEGS BUT THEY SURELY COULDNT RUN AROUND THE BLOCK. THEY WOULD HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
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Yea I've thought about it once in a while. But I like where Im at physically and its just not worth it steroids are kinda expensive.



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I DONT REALLY NEED TO READ UP ON ANYTHING ,IVE EXPERIENCED FIRST HAND AND THE DEPRESSION COMES FROM YOURE MESSED UP TEST LEVEL AND GOING BACK TO FEELING AND LOOKING THE SAME WAY YOU WERE BEFORE YOU USED THEM. hAVING TO TRAIN HARDER AND REST MORE CAUSE YOU CANT RECOVER TO KEEP UP THE PACE YOU USED TO KEEP. I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A PROPER STEROID CYCLE BEING A BAD THING TO GAIN SOME WEIGHT GET STRONGER FASTER OR WHATEVER, IM SAYING THAT THEY ARE HARD TO QUIT. ITS LIKE GETTING A BREAST IMPLANT ON A WOMAN THAT LASTS 4 MONTHS THEN SHE GOES BACK TO NORMAL, BUT AS LONG AS SHE KEEPS INJECTING HERSELF WITH THE CURE SHE CONTINUES TO HAVE NICE BREASTS BUT HER LIVER WOULD START SUFFERING JUST LIKE ANY STEROID HEADS DOES THATS WHY THEY TAKE SO MUCH MILK THISTLE TO HELP KEEP THE LIVER ENZYMES DOWN. DID YOU SEE THE POWER LIFTERS IN BIGGER STRONGER FASTER? THE OLD ONE, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUSH 800 LBS WITH THEIR LEGS BUT THEY SURELY COULDNT RUN AROUND THE BLOCK. THEY WOULD HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
All caps=shouting? Chill out. They couldn't run around the block because they didn't train for that... Athletes use AAS as well and maintain great cardio vascular shape. The comparison you used is utter crap, I have a friend, actually several who juiced when they were mid 20s and now they are 40 and still happy they took roids because they busted a few years worth of plateaus. What was your cycle like? How much per week? What was your PCT like? Doses I mean, and which AAS you used. Roids arent generically hard to quit, it is the personality which dictates that. Test doesn't generally control depression or happiness, although I understand what you're getting it, again it is the person who dictates that, and you may have lost what you gained, but plenty of people who make massive gains from their first cycle keep most of it. Retaining gains generally depends on what doses and how early you started your SERM or AI, not starting it in time allows estrogen room to bond thus diminishing returns. I get what you are saying, but I don't think you are even in the ballpark in terms of being correct. Your personal experience does not outweigh all the info and research done on steroids.

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I DONT REALLY NEED TO READ UP ON ANYTHING ,IVE EXPERIENCED FIRST HAND AND THE DEPRESSION COMES FROM YOURE MESSED UP TEST LEVEL AND GOING BACK TO FEELING AND LOOKING THE SAME WAY YOU WERE BEFORE YOU USED THEM. hAVING TO TRAIN HARDER AND REST MORE CAUSE YOU CANT RECOVER TO KEEP UP THE PACE YOU USED TO KEEP. I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A PROPER STEROID CYCLE BEING A BAD THING TO GAIN SOME WEIGHT GET STRONGER FASTER OR WHATEVER, IM SAYING THAT THEY ARE HARD TO QUIT. ITS LIKE GETTING A BREAST IMPLANT ON A WOMAN THAT LASTS 4 MONTHS THEN SHE GOES BACK TO NORMAL, BUT AS LONG AS SHE KEEPS INJECTING HERSELF WITH THE CURE SHE CONTINUES TO HAVE NICE BREASTS BUT HER LIVER WOULD START SUFFERING JUST LIKE ANY STEROID HEADS DOES THATS WHY THEY TAKE SO MUCH MILK THISTLE TO HELP KEEP THE LIVER ENZYMES DOWN. DID YOU SEE THE POWER LIFTERS IN BIGGER STRONGER FASTER? THE OLD ONE, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUSH 800 LBS WITH THEIR LEGS BUT THEY SURELY COULDNT RUN AROUND THE BLOCK. THEY WOULD HAVE A HEART ATTACK.
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