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post #21 of 33 (permalink) Old 02-16-2009, 08:44 AM
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All caps=shouting? Chill out. They couldn't run around the block because they didn't train for that... Athletes use AAS as well and maintain great cardio vascular shape. The comparison you used is utter crap, I have a friend, actually several who juiced when they were mid 20s and now they are 40 and still happy they took roids because they busted a few years worth of plateaus. What was your cycle like? How much per week? What was your PCT like? Doses I mean, and which AAS you used. Roids arent generically hard to quit, it is the personality which dictates that. Test doesn't generally control depression or happiness, although I understand what you're getting it, again it is the person who dictates that, and you may have lost what you gained, but plenty of people who make massive gains from their first cycle keep most of it. Retaining gains generally depends on what doses and how early you started your SERM or AI, not starting it in time allows estrogen room to bond thus diminishing returns. I get what you are saying, but I don't think you are even in the ballpark in terms of being correct. Your personal experience does not outweigh all the info and research done on steroids.
No shouting bro , Im not good at typing and the caps were locked when I started so I left them on so I wouldnt have to start over. Caps= shouting cmon lol I dont see anybody keep gains for ever unless they use HGH
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post #22 of 33 (permalink) Old 02-16-2009, 08:53 AM
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http://www.steroid.com/side.php Check this out Its interesting and neutral
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Maybe coffee rage and a bitchy girlfriend but no roid rage, I dont think theres such a thing, we would have to ask Chris benoit.
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The reasons why athletes voluntarily or willy-nilly discontinue steroids are various - One of the main reasons which speak for an interruption of the steroid regime are, as the above example has shown, certain possible health risks. Some discontinue steroids simply out of habit because one has heard that after a maximum of 12 weeks a suspension of the same period is suggested. Some discontinue because of limited financial resources or in view of a championship with doping tests. Often, also, the decreasing effect of the administered steroids and the smaller gains which manifest themselves after several weeks are a determining factor. Something almost all athletes have in common with this scenario: One is looking forward to the following weeks with mixed feelings since one does not know what to expect and those who already have some experience (mostly negative) know only too well what lies ahead. Possible apprehensions are, by all means, justified since most athletes experience the classic interruption symptoms such as weight loss, less body strength, muscular atrophy (loss of muscle tissue) and increased fat deposits. Some experience depressions, aversion to training, lethargy, and a lack of discipline. How is this possible- Very simply, the athlete experiences a catabolic phase. The athlete now has to deal with two major problems which will burden him during the following weeks and which make several athletes go "back to the stuff " after interrupting their steroid regime for only a very short time. First, it is very likely that the body's own testosterone production will be reduced since most steroids have an inhibiting effect on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis, resulting in a reduced testosterone production in the, testes by the Leydig's cells. The extent of the reduction depends on the duration of the steroid intake and especially on the strength of the steroids taken. The more androgenic a steroid the more distinct its inhibiting effect on the endogenous testosterone production. In first place are certainly the various testosterone compounds Dianabol and Anadrol, exactly what works so well. When taking the more moderate steroids including Deca Durabolin, Primobolan, Winstrol, the extent of a possible endogenous testosterone -suppression is not only lower but also much slower and more even. Studies of Dianabol, for example, have shown that a conservative dosage of 20 mg/day after only 10 days leads to a 30% to 40% suppression. Since the body's own hormone production cannot be elevated from one day to the next, the athlete experiences a critical over bridging phase. The effect of the exogenous hormones is nonexistent and the body's own testosterone level helps only little to improve the situation. Thus it is important to increase the endogenous testosterone production as quickly as possible. This is what I was trying to explain about steroid use.
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The reasons why athletes voluntarily or willy-nilly discontinue steroids are various - One of the main reasons which speak for an interruption of the steroid regime are, as the above example has shown, certain possible health risks. Some discontinue steroids simply out of habit because one has heard that after a maximum of 12 weeks a suspension of the same period is suggested. Some discontinue because of limited financial resources or in view of a championship with doping tests. Often, also, the decreasing effect of the administered steroids and the smaller gains which manifest themselves after several weeks are a determining factor. Something almost all athletes have in common with this scenario: One is looking forward to the following weeks with mixed feelings since one does not know what to expect and those who already have some experience (mostly negative) know only too well what lies ahead. Possible apprehensions are, by all means, justified since most athletes experience the classic interruption symptoms such as weight loss, less body strength, muscular atrophy (loss of muscle tissue) and increased fat deposits. Some experience depressions, aversion to training, lethargy, and a lack of discipline. How is this possible- Very simply, the athlete experiences a catabolic phase. The athlete now has to deal with two major problems which will burden him during the following weeks and which make several athletes go "back to the stuff " after interrupting their steroid regime for only a very short time. First, it is very likely that the body's own testosterone production will be reduced since most steroids have an inhibiting effect on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis, resulting in a reduced testosterone production in the, testes by the Leydig's cells. The extent of the reduction depends on the duration of the steroid intake and especially on the strength of the steroids taken. The more androgenic a steroid the more distinct its inhibiting effect on the endogenous testosterone production. In first place are certainly the various testosterone compounds Dianabol and Anadrol, exactly what works so well. When taking the more moderate steroids including Deca Durabolin, Primobolan, Winstrol, the extent of a possible endogenous testosterone -suppression is not only lower but also much slower and more even. Studies of Dianabol, for example, have shown that a conservative dosage of 20 mg/day after only 10 days leads to a 30% to 40% suppression. Since the body's own hormone production cannot be elevated from one day to the next, the athlete experiences a critical over bridging phase. The effect of the exogenous hormones is nonexistent and the body's own testosterone level helps only little to improve the situation. Thus it is important to increase the endogenous testosterone production as quickly as possible. This is what I was trying to explain about steroid use.
Thats why when you use dbol or frontload test e you start a SERM or AI very early so that those problems dont happen. steroids.com is a great source, but one of many, go read Bill Roberts stuff on mesomorphosis.com, he helps to make the amazing supplements Biotest keeps producing, and as far as I am concerned one of the most brilliant minds in steroids today. I believe what you said about dbol because it is so damn powerful, people who take can get sore from the pumps it creates walking! Not really a bad thing. go read the site i gave and t-nation.com the steroid forum is pretty good. steroids.com never mentions how different compounds affect people differently which is a pretty big deal.

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Thats why when you use dbol or frontload test e you start a SERM or AI very early so that those problems dont happen. steroids.com is a great source, but one of many, go read Bill Roberts stuff on mesomorphosis.com, he helps to make the amazing supplements Biotest keeps producing, and as far as I am concerned one of the most brilliant minds in steroids today. I believe what you said about dbol because it is so damn powerful, people who take can get sore from the pumps it creates walking! Not really a bad thing. go read the site i gave and t-nation.com the steroid forum is pretty good. steroids.com never mentions how different compounds affect people differently which is a pretty big deal.
Ill check it out, thanks
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The probability of me actually blood doping is very low, but you know, after like 3 years in a row of Tour De France blood doping issues, you get kind curious.

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No, I do not think about that. Iam a martial artist mainly, not a bodybuilder. So its not that important to me.

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No, I do not think about that. Iam a martial artist mainly, not a bodybuilder. So its not that important to me.
This makes no sense. It wouldn't help you to be faster, stronger, have better endurance?
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No, I do not think about that. Iam a martial artist mainly, not a bodybuilder. So its not that important to me.
Protein Synthesis (muscle building abilities) is not the only benefit of AAS

And not all steroids do the same thing.

Some increase RBC Count, they decrease recovery, heal injuries, increase aggression all of which would be beneficial to a fighter
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