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-GSP- · 04-07-2009, 09:16 PM

So, I used to hate doing squats but I grew a liken' to them and now can squat 225x6 quite easily which isn't my problem..

It seems as the weight is getting heavier I'm having more and more bone problems. Not only are my thighs/glutes/hamstrings sore after squatting/leg day, my knees also antagonize me and cause a great amount of pain.

Anyone go through this at all? I know they say in order to help knee problems you should squat as it'll make you stronger but that clearly is hurting my knees.

I'm at the point where I don't know if I should just go lighter, find a solution among supplements, stop squatting altogether, or change up my diet.

Help plz?

**wukkadb** · 04-07-2009, 09:20 PM

You need to fix your form. I have been squatting consistently for over a year and I have never had any knee problems, or pains in my knees after squatting. Post a video of your form, and read this: Click

Also, watch these: Video 1 Video 2 Video 3 Video 3 Pt. 2

Also, how deep are you going?

**Walker** · 04-07-2009, 09:31 PM

Yup- check your form- are your knees going past your toes when you at the lowest position? If so- you're putting too much pressure on your knees. Make sure you are going back far enough with your hips so your knees aren't too far out in front(they should stay behind your toes when you squat down) and the pressure shouldn't be as bad on the knees. If you are dropping too low- beyond a 90 degree angle it will also put more pressure on your knees.

Make sure you aren't lifting your heels off the ground either when dropping down.

TheNegation · 04-07-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Walker

If you are dropping too low- beyond a 90 degree angle it will also put more pressure on your knees.

I should be able to give you warnings and points hahah.

Stoppong at or above parallel is no better on your knees than going deep. I think it's worse.

**Walker** · 04-07-2009, 10:17 PM

We might have to debate that TN.

I'm old and I have to protect my knees(especially my right one after a lacrosse injury) and I've trained plenty of clients and teams I coached in weight lifting but I'm old school and preach the 90 degrees. It can depend on how old the person is, other factors and there are a lot of other things to worry about with proper form. I love squatting as it's always been my favorite exercise.

But I'm always open to new ideas.

TheNegation · 04-07-2009, 10:26 PM

Well all the studies I have seen state that it isn't worse, and quite a few that deep squatting will do nothing but strengthen the ligaments in the knee.

Also, with going deeper as opposed to stopping at 90, isn't alot of the load transferred from the knee to the hips? This would be my main reason for thinking deep squatting is better.

So long as you aren't free falling and bouncing out of the hole, deep squats should be fine.

Also you are right about injuries and other factors effecting it.

**wukkadb** · 04-07-2009, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walker

If you are dropping too low- beyond a 90 degree angle it will also put more pressure on your knees.

This is not true actually. It's the other way around.

Quote:

Squats & Knees. “Squatting deep is bad for your knees”. That’s a myth you’ll hear a lot. Some will advise you to do Partial Squats, staying above parallel, to avoid knee injury. This is wrong info. Wrong.

Your knee joint is strongest in a fully flexed or full extended position, not the positions in-between. Partial Squats only strengthen your knees & quads, not your glutes & hamstrings. This causes muscle imbalances & thus injuries.

Millions of competitive weightlifters Squat deeper than described in this article. If you have knee pain from Squats, you’re using bad technique or you lack ankle/hip mobility. Squatting deep is never the cause.

Source: Click

**Walker** · 04-07-2009, 10:49 PM

I hear yall and to be honest- it's been awhile since I've done much research on squatting- my personal trainer and coaching days were many years back. I mainly dealt with older clients and their differing knee injuries that required more precaution than anything else. With me I have a degenerative muscle issue with my right knee and quad that I have to be careful of mainly because I do triathlons and the stress of running, biking and swimming I have to be careful with squatting.

Thanks for the link wukkadb- I will definitely read it.

I will have to be more active in this section to be more kept up to date. Thanks fellas.