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Old 06-26-2009, 01:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How safe are "Fat Burners"?

i know this is probably a common thread but im looking into the use of fat burners, Stack 2 or Grenades in particular.
Now im 24 and only just getting into the MMA business so i know im never going to make it professional, so im not OVERLY worried about the ingredients such as ephedrine, for testing purposes, however i ama bit unsure as to the health factors.

im currently 6ft and 13st 12, carrying a fair amount of bodyfat, and would love a quick burst to get rid of a few pounds. I go the gym and train in MA 3 times a week so im not just a fat dude looking for a quick fix, but iv heard a lot of side effects stories and others which say they plain dont work.

what do you guys think? are they safe if you stick to the RDA?
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Old 06-26-2009, 10:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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They are not the answer and are barely a bandaid. They can aid in loss only when paired with excercise and nutritional lifestyle! Check out bodybuilding.com and bodybuildingforyou.com for in depth. Usually have side effects and chance of dehydration and such as they usually increase core temp and can cause heart issues
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Old 06-27-2009, 05:45 AM   #3 (permalink)
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yep exactly, although i do train regularly and like to think my diet is pretty good (never used to be!).

whats the dangerous ingredients re the heart issues, is it an intense amount of caffeine or something?
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Old 06-27-2009, 11:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Some or most tend to increase heart rate and core temp. Different ones have different ingredients that cause this. Caffeine really just gives you some energy. The amounts of heart rate increase I am refering to are closer to a dangerous level. Some of the more potent one will make you reach upwards of 140/90.

There are some thermogenic supplements on the market that will do this at a much safer dose. I have used BSN Atrophex and Xyience XLR8, which are mure of a natural solution. Atrophex helps to curb appetite, slightly increases core temp, and makes you urinate alot (this is because it rids your body of excess water that is retained.) When on it I was drinking about 2 gallons of distilled water a day. Really it just helped me keep water weight off and added a little extra bit of calorie burning to my day. If I carried 2 one gallon paint cans 20ft I would have broken out in a sweat like I had been running a 1/2 mile.
Here is an example of a more extreme substance that is available. Please read thoroughly.
The real deal: There is real stuff available out there that is a little more dangerous and is a little more lucrative. This is where you should check out the sites referenced above. Body builders use things alot before competitions to shred fat away. One of the more popular one I have been researching lately is Clenbuterol and it's stack. Clen is a bronchodialator (asthma medication) that has not been approved by the FDA because Albuterol is cheaper for companies to use and it has no anabolic effects. Clen will increase your resting heart rate and core temp a good amount, especially compared to the stuff at GNC... Clen is stacked with Ketotifen (antihystemin)and T3 Cytomel (hormonal metabolic stimulator) When stacked in a very very very strict and timed cycle during a 6 week time period it has shown to have positive results. It has also been said to have anabolic effects like lean muscle gains. Control tests have shown that subjects that use this along with exercise and diet have lost a good amount of body fat and gained a small percentage of lean muscle. However if not taken properly (as in proper dosage and times) it has been known to cause heart attacks, even in younger adults 17-35. I would read alot about whatever you decide and when you are done I would read some more. You have to watch out for fake or wrong stuff when ordering. these types of things and the market is very lucrative as this is not used in the U.S. except for lab purposes.

*Disclaimer: I am not a chemist or a scientist. I am passing along what I have learned and the knowledge of these supplements. I have not personally tried Clenbuterol or the Clen stack. I do not condone the use of any supplements or drugs for use other than how it was originally intended. I do acknowledge that everyone is different and everyone's body reacts differently to different substances.
These are some of the sources that I have found and there are many more but these proved to be most useful. There is also a case study on it that I cannot find right now... There are many similar products on the market and research should be done on all of them prior to taking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketotifen
I like this one for the stacking info not for ordering:
http://www.clenbuterolweightloss.com/
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/behar11.htm
http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/ar...ight-loss.html
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thanks mate, excellent post
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Old 06-28-2009, 01:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't like fat loss pills because the solve the results not the problem. The problem is diet and exersize the results is a fat ass. Change your life style and fix the problem not the results.
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I don't like fat loss pills because the solve the results not the problem. The problem is diet and exersize the results is a fat ass. Change your life style and fix the problem not the results.
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Old 07-28-2009, 01:35 AM   #8 (permalink)
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you want to loose fat, train your a** off. High interval training, well rounded and complete diet will help you out.
ive heard so much bad things about fat burners. no worth the risk or the damage and stress to your body
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Like JGmma said, high interval training is excellent for fatloss. Only takes 15-20 minutes 3-4 times per week, and the fat will melt off...

Also, switch your macronutrient ratios up a bit. I changed my fiance's ratios, and she's been dropping weight for the past year. That's the only change she's made, and guess what? I actually increased her calories.

As far as fat burners are concerned, save your money. Even the ingredients that are supposedly "thermogenic" are highly overrated. The only time you should ever take a a fat burner is if you're on an extremely low caloric diet, and you need an energy boost.

Green tea extract is probably one of the most promising fat burners, yet you have to take it for 3-4 months to lose an extra 5 pounds or so..
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Old 07-28-2009, 12:58 PM   #10 (permalink)
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whats a macronutrient??
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