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Old 07-26-2009, 03:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Creatine helps in the repair of muscle fiber and makes your muscles hold water you may have a little bloated feeling from this. Creatine is the hands down the most studied supplement on the market today, due to rumors of kidney and liver damage. To have this type of side effect you would have to ingest more than your body would let you over a period of time (i mean a lot.)

Caps vs powder: The difference is the absorbancy rating powders that are dissolved are always going to absorb more into your body than caps and are going to work faster as well, if you can get pre mixed that has already broken down it will be the best but the cost would go up significantly. a lot of the supplements that people ingest are filtered through the kidneys or liver and flushed out of the body.

Going off: There are no side effects to coming off creatine. However your body takes a little while to get used to something new this is why NO Xplode and NO Shotgun recommend that you start with a small dose and work up to it (they also have other properties that factor in.) The same sould be used when coming off anything, just taper off (in this case maybe over a couple days) this way it is not as jarring to your muscles and you will not hinder any results. I recommend a 6 week cycle to help keep from a plateau effect.

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i thought NO explode and NO shotgun were nitric oxide supplements?? is there a difference between that and creatine?
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Old 07-26-2009, 07:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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They are Nitric Oxides and yes it is different. Nitric oxide enlarges blood vessels and gives you more "pump" theoretically your muscles get more oxygen, water, fuel this way. They contain Ceatine-Ethyl-Esther (fuel for muscles.) So basically it gets more of what u need to your muscles faster.
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N.O Shotgun......its a type of Creatine: http://www.bestpricenutrition.com/vp...FRKIxwodaWyCaw

Wrong. No shotgun is a pre workout product meant for giving you that boost before workouts. It contains stimulants AS WELL as creatine, protein, and extras. It's main job is not to serve as a creatine supplement however, there may be enough creatine in it but we are not sure as it is a proprietary blend. No xplode is also another product, pricey too, it contains creatine and stimulants primarily. It also contains the potentially dangerous neuro toxin known as glycocyamine or gcc, use at your own disgression.

Preworkout products are extras and are meant to give you a pump. They are not at all necessary and does not take priority over protein, creatine, multi, fish oil, diet, and proper training. When using creatine be sure to drink plenty of water as you need it so it can work at it's best. Creatine is safe and proven to have positive effects on the body including lowering cholesterol, better brain function, etc.
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Wrong. No shotgun is a pre workout product meant for giving you that boost before workouts. It contains stimulants AS WELL as creatine, protein, and extras. It's main job is not to serve as a creatine supplement however, there may be enough creatine in it but we are not sure as it is a proprietary blend. No xplode is also another product, pricey too, it contains creatine and stimulants primarily. It also contains the potentially dangerous neuro toxin known as glycocyamine or gcc, use at your own disgression.

Preworkout products are extras and are meant to give you a pump. They are not at all necessary and does not take priority over protein, creatine, multi, fish oil, diet, and proper training. When using creatine be sure to drink plenty of water as you need it so it can work at it's best. Creatine is safe and proven to have positive effects on the body including lowering cholesterol, better brain function, etc.
It is a pre work out...when do you take your creatine.......after you workout???? The fact that I state its a creatine and you say its not then list that it containes creatine in funny.....

And of course your gonna take it before you work out....

If we are getting specific it has I believe three creatines in it....It may not be just creatine but its in there.......and gatorade delivers creatine bette to muscles than water......
http://www.vpxsports.com/sports-nutr...o-shotgun.aspx

Look at hte ingrdients heres just one the rest are in the link above.......


With COP™ (Creatinol-O-Phosphate) to enhance anaerobic glycolysis and CPT (di-Na Creatine PhosphateTetrahydrate) -- two designer creatines proven in VPX labs to be resistant to conversion to creatinine. This eliminates bloating and allows transport of intact COP and CPT into muscle tissue!

40,000 milligrams of anabolic PROTEIN FRACTIONS in just one serving! No cheap dextrose or waxy maize fillers.

NO-Shotgun is the most advanced product of its kind…Bar none! VPX is so confident in the effectiveness of NO-SHOTGUN that we have a $100,000 offer on the table to ANY supplement company that can conclusively prove – ina double-blind University Study – that their product is better at producing lean muscle, generating greater ATP production for more explosive workouts and initiating NO induced, blood engorged pumps.

I also intake fish oil and at least 90 mg's of protien.....45mgs in the morning with a shake containing tablespoon skim milk, teaspoon peanut butter (good fat), blueberries, bananas 1 1/2 and two cups of oatmeal, and ice.....

Repeated at night minus the oatmeal......

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They are Nitric Oxides and yes it is different. Nitric oxide enlarges blood vessels and gives you more "pump" theoretically your muscles get more oxygen, water, fuel this way. They contain Ceatine-Ethyl-Esther (fuel for muscles.) So basically it gets more of what u need to your muscles faster.
But CEE has also never been proven to actually provide the benefits associated withit. If you are new to supplements I would say just start out with a Pure Monohyrdate, or you could buy a Creatine Supp that has both Mono and CEE in it, such as SizeOn by Gaspari Nutrition.
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It is a pre work out...when do you take your creatine.......after you workout????

If we are getting specific it has I believe three creatines in it....It may not be just creatine but its in there.......and gatorade delivers creatine bette to muscles than water......
http://www.vpxsports.com/sports-nutr...o-shotgun.aspx

Look at hte ingrdients heres just one the rest are in the link above.......


With COP™ (Creatinol-O-Phosphate) to enhance anaerobic glycolysis and CPT (di-Na Creatine PhosphateTetrahydrate) -- two designer creatines proven in VPX labs to be resistant to conversion to creatinine. This eliminates bloating and allows transport of intact COP and CPT into muscle tissue!

I also intake fish oil and at least 90 mg's of protien.....45mgs in the morning with a shake containing tablespoon skim milk, teaspoon peanut butter (good fat), blueberries, bananas 1 1/2 and two cups of oatmeal, and ice.....

Repeated at night minus the oatmeal......
A pre-workout product is not the same a creatine product. Pre-workout products are usually composed of stimulants + extras rather than just creatine or creatine + extras. Its designed to give you that boost, pump, or focus prior to lifting weights. Creatine also depending on the type can be taken Pre, Intra, or Post.

I know what's in NO-Shotgun, I have jug in my room. Its creatine forms are nothing to get excited about, lots of companies are creating their own creatine forms nowadays. Its still not a creatine product however, its pre-workout product. It designed mainly for that purpose although it does have creatine as well. Its called Nitric Oxide-Shotgun for a reason. Why does gatorade do that? If your talking creatine mono then any juice type beverage except ones with a lot of Acid, OJ for example, is thought to help the uptake of it. With other forms its not needed. If you know how creatine works you know that it NEEDS water. Drink it with w/e you want but you need water. Daily not just for this. But creatine works by pulling water into the muscle, etc. Without taking in enough water, you won't be getting the full effects.
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A pre-workout product is not the same a creatine product. Pre-workout products are usually composed of stimulants + extras rather than just creatine or creatine + extras. Its designed to give you that boost, pump, or focus prior to lifting weights. Creatine also depending on the type can be taken Pre, Intra, or Post.

I know what's in NO-Shotgun, I have jug in my room. Its creatine forms are nothing to get excited about, lots of companies are creating their own creatine forms nowadays. Its still not a creatine product however, its pre-workout product. It designed mainly for that purpose although it does have creatine as well. Its called Nitric Oxide-Shotgun for a reason. Why does gatorade do that? If your talking creatine mono then any juice type beverage except ones with a lot of Acid, OJ for example, is thought to help the uptake of it. With other forms its not needed. If you know how creatine works you know that it NEEDS water. Drink it with w/e you want but you need water. Daily not just for this. But creatine works by pulling water into the muscle, etc. Without taking in enough water, you won't be getting the full effects.

Whatever....I wasnt tryin to get into a debate or anything just answering the OP......I know there are stimulants but my point is it containes the creatine I use as well......

gatorade delivers it with electrolytes I also drink about a gallon and a half of water a day so the gatorade changes things up, but also delivers the creatine to your muscle.....

My body gets plenty of water...


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But CEE has also never been proven to actually provide the benefits associated withit. If you are new to supplements I would say just start out with a Pure Monohyrdate, or you could buy a Creatine Supp that has both Mono and CEE in it, such as SizeOn by Gaspari Nutrition.
Exactly. I was just explaining what i took and he had questions about it. I take it for totally different reasons, the CEE is just bonus.
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Just a couple of months ago, there was a study in the JISSN that showed CEE was actually inferior to regular creatine monohydrate.. So, not only does it taste bad, but it also doesn't work...

The theory behind creatine and gatorade comes from the carbs. The carbs in gatorade cause an insulin spike, which helps pull more creatine in the muscle (simplified version). This theory has been out since creatine has been available. Out of all the methods used to push more creatine into the muscle, this one has the most evidence behind it.

The next generation of creatine products will contain ingredients that improve insulin sensitivity.
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