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luger0 04-19-2010 01:58 AM

I need some advice
 
I am looking to step inside a ring for a debut fight to see how far I have come.

Currently I weigh 170-72.5 pounds at 5'11" with less than 10% body-fat. I have been an athlete for nearly all my life.

So far I know I want to utilize a stand-up game of heavy hand-strikes, elbows,knees and leg-strikes. I have some background in wrestling.

Back in January I decided to cut myself into shape. For the last two months I have been working myself past what my mind tells me I can do. My workout philosophy is pretty simple and straight-forward: "If I do a set of heavy days I better be feeling the workout pain during the night and at least 2 days after if not I did nothing beneficial".

I have a regimen where I do a Monday & Tuesday as my heaviest days. Whatever I do on Monday I force my body to do double the next day.

Like most men looking into this sport I have very little cash to devote to equipment. Right now I use a 80 pound weight in a back-pack for dual-armed curls along with a 40-pound bag of rock-salt. Last weekend I picked up a body-bag which will be hung later today. Sadly this is all I can say I have for training materials.

During my 1st week I did 360 lifts of 40-pounds dual-armed curl, 125 diamond push-ups, 75 regular push-ups, 150 40-pound crunches, 10 160-pound front-squats, and 1.5 minutes of (holding the 40-pound bag on my ankles in a crunch position) this was Monday only.

My 2nd week I moved up to the 80-pound lift for curls put in 125 on Monday and 250 Tuesday along with the fore-mentioned lifts.

In my 3rd & 4th weeks I did my regular body workouts in addition to high-count crunches, my lowest count during those 14-days was 800 crunches un-weighted and my single best day was 1800.

I was rather stupid during the 4th week, I didn't use correct form on my curls and messed up my left wrist, now 4 weeks later it is healed.

This portion wraps up the 1st month. I focused on punch-endurance with ankle weights on the wrists.

I have found that the punch-endurance takes a fair amount of time to re-coup from...at least 4-6 days.

I worked on that endurance plus alongside of my body-workouts one week I did a push-up kick and did 800 one night.

Now with the 2nd month ending I am focusing on forming a solid wall of muscle in my core. Last night I did 500 full sit-ups.

Sorry if you do not care for bios, but I wanted to share what I have done and see what can be improved.

Any criticism would be great thank you for your time.

CFT_Ian 04-19-2010 02:42 AM

Well it sounds like you are in pretty great shape.

But...

You don't mention any cardio.

Get some technical training as well. This lifting and working out you do is all well and good. Until you step into the ring/cage against a guy who has worked out and combines it with actual MMA technical training. Knowing how you want to fight, and being skilled and trained enough to dictate that fight will be fought like that, are not the same thing.

I'm pretty sure most anyone here would agree with that. If you are serious about it then get trained, and work your cardio.

Qwertty 04-19-2010 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CFT_Ian (Post 1165556)
Well it sounds like you are in pretty great shape.

But...

You don't mention any cardio.

Get some technical training as well. This lifting and working out you do is all well and good. Until you step into the ring/cage against a guy who has worked out and combines it with actual MMA technical training. Knowing how you want to fight, and being skilled and trained enough to dictate that fight will be fought like that, are not the same thing.

I'm pretty sure most anyone here would agree with that. If you are serious about it then get trained, and work your cardio.

I totally agree here. A good order of importance the way I see it:

1. - Technique (muay thai, bjj, boxing, wrestling, whatever)
2. - Cardio (anaerobic, aerobic, and general endurance training)
3. - Explosiveness and agility training (power lifts, sprints, bounds, all kinds of jumping and take down workouts)
4. - Abs/core (gotta work on your armor. And its also a HUGE kinetic link between your body)

Either way, it sounds like you definitely have the motivation to go far in whatever you attempt. I like to think of myself as the same way

luger0 04-19-2010 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFT_Ian (Post 1165556)
Well it sounds like you are in pretty great shape.

But...

You don't mention any cardio.

Get some technical training as well. This lifting and working out you do is all well and good. Until you step into the ring/cage against a guy who has worked out and combines it with actual MMA technical training. Knowing how you want to fight, and being skilled and trained enough to dictate that fight will be fought like that, are not the same thing.

I'm pretty sure most anyone here would agree with that. If you are serious about it then get trained, and work your cardio.

I totally agree CTF, I am planning on running with a pal from high-school who ran cross-country with me. We're planning to run at least 5-miles daily for 2 weeks and bump it to 8 or 10 miles for 2-4 weeks and see what we want to do from there.

If he'd be willing I'd go the rest of the summer break he's got and do 10 mile runs mon-friday.

I have a pal at work who is suggesting Jiu-Jitsu, I am not sure if I would follow through on that side. I know that the sport is highly-centered on that discipline, I just doubt it would be a good thing to start there for me at least.

I however found a course in Taekwondo for rather cheap $45/month about 20-25 minutes from where I live now.

I have some good news, I talked with a friend from church today at work and he's got a bench-press (bench,bars, and free-weight) that he wants to get rid of for next to nothing. I'll enjoy being able to work parts I haven't been able to while sticking to push-ups as my main chest-builder and arm endurance builder.

I am curious about increasing my punch rapidity and strength would using a resistance band plus some dumbbells be a bad thing?

I have done the punch-endurance stuff as mentioned prior and was timing myself for straight jabs from a full-cock position if you could call it that (like when you are starting to push-up like in the push-up exercise) in 30 seconds I was able to get 45 jabs in completely sore from the workout.

In my mind I want to train to be able to throw against at least 60-pounds of resistance if not greater 4-times/second for 15-20 minutes for a straight jab & cross. Would that be over-training in any way?

coldcall420 04-19-2010 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger0 (Post 1165539)
I am looking to step inside a ring for a debut fight to see how far I have come.

Currently I weigh 170-72.5 pounds at 5'11" with less than 10% body-fat. I have been an athlete for nearly all my life.

So far I know I want to utilize a stand-up game of heavy hand-strikes, elbows,knees and leg-strikes. I have some background in wrestling.

Back in January I decided to cut myself into shape. For the last two months I have been working myself past what my mind tells me I can do. My workout philosophy is pretty simple and straight-forward: "If I do a set of heavy days I better be feeling the workout pain during the night and at least 2 days after if not I did nothing beneficial".

I have a regimen where I do a Monday & Tuesday as my heaviest days. Whatever I do on Monday I force my body to do double the next day.

Like most men looking into this sport I have very little cash to devote to equipment. Right now I use a 80 pound weight in a back-pack for dual-armed curls along with a 40-pound bag of rock-salt. Last weekend I picked up a body-bag which will be hung later today. Sadly this is all I can say I have for training materials.

During my 1st week I did 360 lifts of 40-pounds dual-armed curl, 125 diamond push-ups, 75 regular push-ups, 150 40-pound crunches, 10 160-pound front-squats, and 1.5 minutes of (holding the 40-pound bag on my ankles in a crunch position) this was Monday only.

My 2nd week I moved up to the 80-pound lift for curls put in 125 on Monday and 250 Tuesday along with the fore-mentioned lifts.

In my 3rd & 4th weeks I did my regular body workouts in addition to high-count crunches, my lowest count during those 14-days was 800 crunches un-weighted and my single best day was 1800.

I was rather stupid during the 4th week, I didn't use correct form on my curls and messed up my left wrist, now 4 weeks later it is healed.

This portion wraps up the 1st month. I focused on punch-endurance with ankle weights on the wrists.

I have found that the punch-endurance takes a fair amount of time to re-coup from...at least 4-6 days.

I worked on that endurance plus alongside of my body-workouts one week I did a push-up kick and did 800 one night.

Now with the 2nd month ending I am focusing on forming a solid wall of muscle in my core. Last night I did 500 full sit-ups.

Sorry if you do not care for bios, but I wanted to share what I have done and see what can be improved.

Any criticism would be great thank you for your time.



Can you get into a Gym somewhere?? I know you said you were low on cash but some schools are cheap and would at least have better facilities for you to utilize....

luger0 04-19-2010 10:03 PM

I know of a ycma like deal nearbye that costs $10/vist for the day. I am planning on putting in 4-power days a month where I spend at least 12-hours on my whole body workout.

coldcall420 04-19-2010 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger0 (Post 1166081)
I know of a ycma like deal nearbye that costs $10/vist for the day. I am planning on putting in 4-power days a month where I spend at least 12-hours on my whole body workout.


Honestly, you need to be careful that you aren't over training your muscles, seriously you need to give them time to repair and if you have to you could go to your local gym and tell them you will clean the weights and shit for free if they let you lift. also, there will be trainers there that can give you advice on workouts, there is also a section here on the forum with many of our training log's on there its located here in the training section of the forum here:

http://www.mmaforum.com/strength-power-training/


Good Luck man and welcome!!!!

CFT_Ian 04-20-2010 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by luger0 (Post 1166070)
I totally agree CTF, I am planning on running with a pal from high-school who ran cross-country with me. We're planning to run at least 5-miles daily for 2 weeks and bump it to 8 or 10 miles for 2-4 weeks and see what we want to do from there.

If he'd be willing I'd go the rest of the summer break he's got and do 10 mile runs mon-friday.

The running is nice, but one thing you would notice, you can run for days, soon as you hit the mat you can and will likely gas right away. Running cardio =/= fight cardio. I have had guys come in to my class who can run rings around me, I take them to the mat they gas in 2-3 minutes. Sparring they last a little longer but never more than one 5 minute round before they are sucking wind.
I probably couldn't run more than a mile before getting winded, but I have gone full speed/power while grappling for 30-35 minutes straight before I totally gas out. (shark tanking, gotta love it)

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger0 (Post 1166070)
I have a pal at work who is suggesting Jiu-Jitsu, I am not sure if I would follow through on that side. I know that the sport is highly-centered on that discipline, I just doubt it would be a good thing to start there for me at least.

I however found a course in Taekwondo for rather cheap $45/month about 20-25 minutes from where I live now.

The Jiu-jitsu would be a good idea, you said you had some wrestling background right? JJ would probably be a very good style to pick up since you are already used to the mat and know a little about transitions and mat control. At least pick up enough to defend against submissions.

As for the TKD, not to knock it or anything, but you are better off looking into Muay Thai or kickboxing.


Quote:

Originally Posted by luger0 (Post 1166070)
I have some good news, I talked with a friend from church today at work and he's got a bench-press (bench,bars, and free-weight) that he wants to get rid of for next to nothing. I'll enjoy being able to work parts I haven't been able to while sticking to push-ups as my main chest-builder and arm endurance builder.

Awesome!


Quote:

Originally Posted by luger0 (Post 1166070)
I am curious about increasing my punch rapidity and strength would using a resistance band plus some dumbbells be a bad thing?

The resistance bands good idea, the dumbells, not so much. If you use a dumbell the weight in your hand stays the same and your body gets used to it. The bands offer increasing resistance the further away your hand is from your body. That is similar to how you see a sprinter train with the little parachute behind them. the faster they run, the more drag they create the harder they have to push themselves to go faster. or something, I dunno :confused:



Quote:

Originally Posted by luger0 (Post 1166070)

I have done the punch-endurance stuff as mentioned prior and was timing myself for straight jabs from a full-cock position if you could call it that (like when you are starting to push-up like in the push-up exercise) in 30 seconds I was able to get 45 jabs in completely sore from the workout.

Yeah but how was the technique on those jabs? Were they crisp proper form jabs? Or where they "gotta throw as many as I can as fast as I can" jabs? You have to remember to use good form and technique. Training poor technique just to throw more/faster punches doesn't do you any good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger0 (Post 1166070)
In my mind I want to train to be able to throw against at least 60-pounds of resistance if not greater 4-times/second for 15-20 minutes for a straight jab & cross. Would that be over-training in any way?

Um... probably?

luger0 04-21-2010 11:44 PM

@Coldcall420

Would doing a single 12-hour day swimming for about an hour, take an hour to cool-down have a snack (healthy) like a protein bar do 4-hours of lifting various lifts at a relaxed pace take an hour cool-down and have a snack, and go for a 3-hour run cool-down and have another snack be so bag if I did that once a week?

Thank-you for the wishes, I hope to post some photos, videos etc as I get the time.

coldcall420 04-21-2010 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger0 (Post 1167471)
@Coldcall420

Would doing a single 12-hour day swimming for about an hour, take an hour to cool-down have a snack (healthy) like a protein bar do 4-hours of lifting various lifts at a relaxed pace take an hour cool-down and have a snack, and go for a 3-hour run cool-down and have another snack be so bag if I did that once a week?

Thank-you for the wishes, I hope to post some photos, videos etc as I get the time.


No, I was just concerned for over training of your muscles, there are many routines that people do that are like an hour some even 45 mins, but these are more for maintaining gains, the plan you just described sounds good....just dont over train your muscles, dont work them to the point that what your doing is counter produtive....:thumbsup:


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