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Old 05-30-2010, 11:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey there fellow MMA lovers. I'm new here but def not to MMA.

I came on here to ask a question about training. I started watching the UFC in 2004. I got the game for Xbox when it came out and ever since then I loved it. I've always had dreams and want to be for sure an MMA fighter. I do have my backup as an engineer. I've been working out since I was 13 and I'm comin up on my 16th birthday. Last year I started in BJJ and had to quit after 2 months because of lower back problems. I'm starting back up this summer along with boxing. Once I get my car and job I'll be doing Muay-Thai. I have Sambo videos coming to my house soon. I'll be doing Wrestling also this year and until I graduate (going into 10th grade). I have my dad showing me things right now so I'm not dumb-founded when I start. My cardio sucks but I've been working on it. My strength is ever improving so fast. I help my friend by telling him what I know and training him in what I know so far. We both spar except I have around 30-40 lbs on him.

So my question is, if I keep this up and once I get my black belt in BJJ (assuming age 21), get my black tassle I'm guessing it's called (again age 21-23) and I wrestle all threw HS and college (hopefully) and I excel at it... Do you guys think I got a chance out there?

NOTE: My chin has been tested numerous times, I don't get knocked out or rocked easily at all. My pain tolerance is very high also.

Thanks fellow MMA fans/trainers!
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Old 05-30-2010, 11:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 05-31-2010, 12:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Like the sound of all that man, you just have to be able to prove yourself, and start making a name for yourself. from the sounds of things, you have great determination and with that you can do whatever you want, good luck man
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Old 05-31-2010, 01:00 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Yeah, that's what I'm tryin to get at. Make a name for myself. I'm only concerned about the BJJ tourts. Reason for that is I don't give up easily, so there's a chance I might tear a ligament
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Firstly, moved this thread to the training section.

Now, to your question.


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So my question is, if I keep this up and once I get my black belt in BJJ (assuming age 21), get my black tassle I'm guessing it's called (again age 21-23) and I wrestle all threw HS and college (hopefully) and I excel at it... Do you guys think I got a chance out there?
If you do both of those things, you'll be the greatest grappler in the history of the world.

Here's the rub, though. Those goals are not at all realistic.

(a) You're not going to get a blackbelt by 21. I hate to be the guy who tells a 16 year old that his goals are ridiculous (because I was a 16 year old not that long ago) but a BJJ blackbelt takes 8-10 years of serious, dedicated training. Rarely do athletes get a BJJ blackbelt while training in other styles. But even if that weren't a problem, at 16, your best bet is a blackbelt by 24 or 25 (at best) because getting a blackbelt by 21 means competing at the same level as a guy like Marcelo Garcia or B.J. Penn, and both of those guys had been training in some form of grappling since they were (at least) 10.

(b) The chances of wrestling competitively in college while cross training are incredibly low. I have friends that I train with during the summer who wrestle for D-I schools and the reality is that being a collegiate wrestler is a full time job. Those guys train three or four hours a day, they take a full course load (which they're required to maintain at a passing level) and they have to maintain competitive weight and skillsets from week to week. There's no way that you can be really dedicated to a wrestling regimen, drilling wrestling skills and adhering to a collegiate wrestling schedule and taking kickboxing and jiu-jitsu. It simply cannot be done without serious health risk or abject failure.

That said, that doesn't mean you can't be a great fighter.

If you work really hard, if you dedicate yourself to learning the game, getting in great shape and staying humble so that you can learn as much as humanly possible, then it's definitely possible to excel in MMA.

Pick out how you want to learn, try and work out what's going to be the best environment for you right now to develop your skills and then put together a reasonable plan, with reasonable goals, to become better.

Also, don't overextend yourself. Find some styles you like to start with, take wrestling or muay thai or BJJ or boxing. Or pick (at most) two and work hard. You're 16, and just starting. Build a base doing the things that you love. I was a kid when I started, and I loved grappling (and still do) so I started with BJJ and muay thai and later picked up Greco-Roman wrestling and boxing. But I started with BJJ, so I developed conditioning, fundamentals and confidence in one area of my game, which I could bring to the others as I started to learn.

If you jump into four styles at once, I can basically promise that you're going to be overwhelmed. It's not because I think you're a p*ssy, it's because nobody learns four styles at once. Every smart fighter brings a background to MMA. That's how you get started.
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Thanks for that lesson, I needed it.

I've been in boxing since I was the age of 7 or 8. My mother had me learning the basics and the footwork. And boy, was she right. I learned that the footwork is the key to the stand up awhile ago, and thankfully I learned it young. As for the muay-thai I'll def put that on hold. Boxing I don't need that much anymore since I dropped that around the time I did BJJ. So I guess I'll stick with learning my ground game/takedowns. Once I've completed wrestling I'll go into Muay Thai and start learning it. Besides I can go pro and still be learning stuff. I know there's many fighters that don't have their black belt in the things there training in.

As for BJ Penn he had gotten his black belt in 3-4 years, I can't exactly remember. But because I figured 21-23 for mine that gives me 6 years (22) and 7 years (23) to achieve it. With the training and dedication I have I think, THINK I can do it. My Dad isn't the king of wrestling but went 106-12 in his wrestling days back in HS. He told me once he had to take on two people in one night because his partner wasn't there to fight (same weight class of course).

When I spar with friends I do my stand up with my friend I teach everything. It's not always just friends I spar with either. I still go to the boxing gym I used to and spar with the people there. Now when I train my wrestling, I go against my friend Thor. Now by the sound of his name you can tell he must be big. Thor here is 5'10, he just turned 15 and he weighs and fits this weight perfect. He's like a mini-Lesnar in a 15 year olds body. He walks at 265, yeah. I'm only 5'9 and weigh around 184, and about 18% body fat. I'm tryin to make that into muscle and those into abs. Now getting back on track, you can imagine how beneficial that is to my takedown defense and ground skills. I can barley get him on his back unless I clinch and trip. So with Thor and my Dad I'm getting some decent amount of wrestling training. My dad wrestled 7th grade- 12th. Thor wrestled 4th-9th and still is. He wrestled varsity this year and made it to states, freshman year.

Now if I keep this up and I have a friend that just got into college with a wrestling degree he is going to see if I can get some help with it this summer. Hopefully, this goes well and I do good in this.
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I've been in boxing since I was the age of 7 or 8. My mother had me learning the basics and the footwork. And boy, was she right. I learned that the footwork is the key to the stand up awhile ago, and thankfully I learned it young. As for the muay-thai I'll def put that on hold. Boxing I don't need that much anymore since I dropped that around the time I did BJJ. So I guess I'll stick with learning my ground game/takedowns. Once I've completed wrestling I'll go into Muay Thai and start learning it. Besides I can go pro and still be learning stuff. I know there's many fighters that don't have their black belt in the things there training in.
Absolutely. There are guys like Kevin Burns who show up and train their ass off and then submit BJJ blackbelts. There are also BJJ blackbelts who have less than impressive ground games. I'm happy to name names on both groups.

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As for BJ Penn he had gotten his black belt in 3-4 years, I can't exactly remember. But because I figured 21-23 for mine that gives me 6 years (22) and 7 years (23) to achieve it. With the training and dedication I have I think, THINK I can do it. My Dad isn't the king of wrestling but went 106-12 in his wrestling days back in HS. He told me once he had to take on two people in one night because his partner wasn't there to fight (same weight class of course).
I hear B.J. brought up a lot, and I realize that Joe Rogan loves to talk about how B.J. is the fastest ever to get a blackbelt in BJJ with only three years of training. The problem is, that number is incredibly misleading.

B.J. had a blackbelt in judo long before he started training BJJ. I've trained with him, and his brothers, and all of them get frustrated with that number because it makes it sound like he's just some dude who picked it up and magically learned the skills. That's just not true.

Again, if you get a BJJ blackbelt by age 24, that'd make you one of the most prodigal grapplers in the world. It could happen, but don't count on it. I've been training my ass off since I was a lot younger than you, learning BJJ, judo and wrestling, and I'm still not close to a BJJ blackbelt by 23. It's a great goal. It's also incredibly unrealistic. The guys who get blackbelts in their early twenties are guys who are winning multiple world championships in their late teens at purplebelt and brownbelt. Also, they're all pure jiu-jitsu guys.


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When I spar with friends I do my stand up with my friend I teach everything. It's not always just friends I spar with either. I still go to the boxing gym I used to and spar with the people there. Now when I train my wrestling, I go against my friend Thor. Now by the sound of his name you can tell he must be big. Thor here is 5'10, he just turned 15 and he weighs and fits this weight perfect. He's like a mini-Lesnar in a 15 year olds body. He walks at 265, yeah. I'm only 5'9 and weigh around 184, and about 18% body fat. I'm tryin to make that into muscle and those into abs. Now getting back on track, you can imagine how beneficial that is to my takedown defense and ground skills. I can barley get him on his back unless I clinch and trip. So with Thor and my Dad I'm getting some decent amount of wrestling training. My dad wrestled 7th grade- 12th. Thor wrestled 4th-9th and still is. He wrestled varsity this year and made it to states, freshman year.
All this is fine. I'm going to tell you what I tell every kid who walks into a full contact or no gi session I'm running and wants to be an MMA fighter:

Find someone better than you and study under them. You're too young to be teaching. I'm too young to be teaching. If you're the smartest guy in the training session, if you have the most knowledgeable, you need to go somewhere else.

When I hear something like "I teach anything," I really worry, because there's no reason for you to be teaching at 16. And there won't be at 19. I teach sessions when other coaches are missing, but I make a point of finding the best coach wherever I am and taking as many classes with that guy as I can. That's how learning happens.


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Now if I keep this up and I have a friend that just got into college with a wrestling degree he is going to see if I can get some help with it this summer. Hopefully, this goes well and I do good in this.
Good. It's good to work with collegiate wrestlers.

My advice, though, as far as finding wrestlers to work with, is to find guys who have started coaching wrestling. Those are the guys who know the technique, and who aren't just looking for workout partners. Honestly, those are the guys that are the best to train with.

Like I said, I have a group of workout partners when I come home for the break, and you should find guys like that too. But learn wrestling from a coach.

For my part, I spent some time wrestling with the warriors at Team Quest, and many of them are guys I don't recommend working with if your looking to learn wrestling, because they're not in that coaching part of their career. They're still athletes, so they're going to focus on their own skills, and not on yours. There's a reason why the camps that produce the best fighters consistently have a head who's dedicated to coaching.

I learned more working with a former all-American turned coach for a week than I ever learned with the half-dozen former Olympians and NCAA champions I've trained with.
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