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Old 02-04-2011, 12:40 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Ok, now I get it. You mean a boxing stance. I notice that varies in MMA!
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I punched myself in the head a bunch of times tonight but I dont know if it did any good.
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i do it all the time and i can take hits a bit better, i disagree that it cant benefit you though because i was hit with a hook to the chin and then an uppercut with 16ounces in training and i took it pretty well compared to maybe how i used to have taken it.
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i do it all the time and i can take hits a bit better, i disagree that it cant benefit you though because i was hit with a hook to the chin and then an uppercut with 16ounces in training and i took it pretty well compared to maybe how i used to have taken it.
I know what you mean. At this point though I've been training so long that I'm used to getting punched. I'm not really flinchy and I know I can take a solid hit and be okay so I'm wondering if that's more mental than chin durability. Maybe both...? I've gotten a concussion before but I never got knocked out or put on wobbly legs. I don't know why, I think I have a good chin.
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important thing to train is vestibular system - get yourself dizzy and throw punches-kicks

after x time of training you'll be able to control yourself much better

doesn't work for outcold KOs obviously
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important thing to train is vestibular system - get yourself dizzy and throw punches-kicks

after x time of training you'll be able to control yourself much better

doesn't work for outcold KOs obviously
Great call, I had forgotten all about this kind of training.



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Old 02-04-2011, 06:23 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Thought I'd just add something to this thread.

Firstly, well done to Khoveraki for spending a good bit of time reading up on everything and posting. Though I feel some of what you've written can be clarified a wee bit.

The three nerves you have given as an example are not in the jawbone (mandible) but are Cranial Nerves which branch out from the Medulla and though they have distributions around the mandible, none are actually located within it. The only nerve located within the body of the jawbone is the Inferior Dental Nerve - which is a branch of another Cranial Nerve - the Trigeminal.

However, as these nerves exit from the Medulla, they are linked to the brainstem - and it is injuries to this area which can result in a knockout. Not being hit directly on any of these nerves.

The actual intricacies of a knockout (such as how the brain shuts down and consciousness is lost when it happens) are still relatively unknown, though hitting a 'nerve' in the jaw will most definitely not cause any form of unconsciousness. This arises from trauma to brain cells or the brainstem. The reason that getting hit in the jaw results in more knockouts than hits elsewhere is because it is a loose projection attached to the bottom of the head and a hit here results in the mandible accelerating quickly, and thus a sharp rotation to the head, causing direct or indirect trauma to the brainstem or a sudden jolt to the brain, which can accelerates so fast it hits the skull before the cerebrospinal fluid which protects it can act as a shock absorber - thus resulting in brain trauma, and loss of or a decrease in consciousness/awareness.

You can increase bone density in the mandible through bone hardening (cortical remodelling), though you have correctly pointed out that no amount of trauma to this area through punching oneself will help stop a knockout. What would help stop a knockout however would (as pointed out by Slapshot) be to keep your chin tucked, as well as having the jaw closed tightly. Strong neck, masseter and temporalis muscles would aid this (along with a good mouthguard and being fit enough not to gas and leave your mouth hanging open during a fight!), and this would help ensure any blows to the jaw would ensure the head is not rotated too quickly, and the tension in these muscles being released on point of impact, would help absorb some of the blow from the strike.

Hope this helps.
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Old 02-04-2011, 06:24 PM   #29 (permalink)
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lol i know it sounds stupid but I heard alot of boxers use it.

obviously wearing their gloves and not punching full-out their hardest.

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i do it all the time and i can take hits a bit better, i disagree that it cant benefit you though because i was hit with a hook to the chin and then an uppercut with 16ounces in training and i took it pretty well compared to maybe how i used to have taken it.
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Old 02-04-2011, 06:36 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Thank you d3rkk that was a great clarification and really helped. Nice to have someone of your specialty and level weighing in.


I found this part especially interesting because so many of us here have wondered, fruitlessly, if strengthening any muscle could truly help in preventing a knockout:

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Strong neck, masseter and temporalis muscles would aid this (along with a good mouthguard and being fit enough not to gas and leave your mouth hanging open during a fight!), and this would help ensure any blows to the jaw would ensure the head is not rotated too quickly, and the tension in these muscles being released on point of impact, would help absorb some of the blow from the strike.



I think this is turning into one of the more informative threads on MMAF.
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