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vBookie Event: Tito Ortiz vs Ken Shamrock (UFC 61: July 8 2006)
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post #31 of 53 (permalink) Old 06-23-2006, 09:34 AM
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Gracie: One dimensional???

Royce was one dimensional in the early UFC days, but that's exactly the way the UFC was billed. It was the excitement of seeing different styles matching up against each other: Tae Kwo Do vs. Muay Tai, Jiu Jitsu Vs. Akido etc.

It was all about who had the best style.

Today, a competitor may have a specialty, but most fighters train with teams who bring in coaches to target every area a fighter needs to target. It is rare today that someone starts their MMA training AFTER becoming a black belt or training in a martial art for twelve years.

Today you will see a guy who is a Jiu Jitsu expert end a fight with blows to the head if the opportunity arises.

Royce Gracie was a very good striker who wasted no energy with his punches, but he usually used them to soften his opponent up for an eventual submission.

He was, in a way, one dimensional, but at the time that was to his advantage. He was doing things that no one else was doing. By him being one dimensional, he forced his opponents to fight in his arena of Gracie Jiu Jitsu, and they didn't know the rules. He dominated.

If Royce was a young fighter today, I believe that his attitude would be different. He would practice other disciplines also and he would excel at them. Royce would dominate in today's MMA world too.

I'm scheduled to do an in depth interview with his cousin Renzo some time next month. I'll post the entire interview at UltimateFightingChampionship.com

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post #32 of 53 (permalink) Old 06-26-2006, 11:24 PM
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Can't wait until the night before the event, so I can put every cent on my account on Tito.

And Renzo is Royce's cousin, not his brother.
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post #33 of 53 (permalink) Old 06-27-2006, 03:09 AM
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definantly tito ortiz i wonder how bad shamrocks going to look after this one
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Can't wait until the night before the event, so I can put every cent on my account on Tito.
And Renzo is Royce's cousin, not his brother.
Nice, and you have some points there too.. Some people are going to make decent money off this.

Dare i imagine shamrock winning That would be shocking!
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It's going to suck if Tito somehow loses. I don't even post that much so it's going to take forever for my points to come back...
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Nice, and you have some points there too.. Some people are going to make decent money off this.

Dare i imagine shamrock winning That would be shocking!
Yeah, I'll lose alot of points.



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raymardo , good read

I also believe that if Gracie was young and coming to the UFC in this day and age, he would be developing other skills rather than just JJ.

Times have sure changed in the UFC.
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raymardo , good read

I also believe that if Gracie was young and coming to the UFC in this day and age, he would be developing other skills rather than just JJ.

Times have sure changed in the UFC.

that is my same arguement for bruce lee if he were around today. going by his traing regimine and his willingness to push beyond normal limits he would easily be one of if not the best fighter

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i dont see how ken can win..i dont think he has a chance of stoppin titos ground and pound and when they are on the feet it looked like tito was better there too..unless he catched him with a lucky shot..but i doubt it...he doesnt have the reach forrest had on tito, and therefore look for a very similar fight to the 1st one..2nd round tko..elbow strikes
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Here we go, this will be good
No it wont....It will be another beat down...What in the hell is Shamrock thinking?...He gets his ass taxed by a 185 pound guy in Rich Franklin and now he wants to get back in there with a guy whose much bigger and stronger...and he totally got his ass beat down the first time....I think Shamrock needs to be sent to a mental hospital for evauation.....

I hope this will be the last time we see Shamrock in the Octagon...This is really getting ridiculous...Ortiz will punish him every single round and the ref will finally stop it late in the 3rd and final round.
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