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Matt Hughes 1/3 F (0.33) 65 33209 WIN!
BJ Penn 4/1 (4.00) 41 73951  

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Old 09-25-2006, 10:36 PM   #51 (permalink)
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If Penn didn't get hurt, he would have won. Simple as that.
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Old 09-26-2006, 01:53 AM   #52 (permalink)
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GSP Predicted it Exactly..

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stop *****in he got his ass kicked in the 3rd after eating like 35 punches, matt hughes with the win just like i said a month ago. matts a better fighter no doubt, having good cardio is part of being a good fighter.
GSP could see exactly what I was saying and predicted it.. He was not impressed by Hughes.. Neither was I, as I realized Penn is a better fighter..

This is not rocket science folks.. The first two rounds for GSP and Hughes were punishment at the hands of Penn.. You have to lie to yourself not to see it.. It is as clear as day..

GSP knew it and that is why he said that if it stops in the first two rounds, Penn for the win.. if it goes into the 3rd and higher rounds, Hughes will win..

GSP is right to not be impressed, as GSP was better at taking down Penn.. Hughes couldn't do jack the first two rounds, hardly.

I guess in the big picture endurance is part of a fighter's arsenal, but that aside, Penn is a better fighter.. He did practically the same thing as in 2004.

AND DID WE NOT PREDICT THIS..

Same game everytime.. Penn did have his number and just about did the same thing 2 years later.

SO, what will happen next? GSP or Penn will take the title.. If GSP takes the title, eventually, Penn will build up his endurance enough to take it from GSP.. Then, after holding the title for a few UFC title shots, he will get beat, because he just wanted to get the belt, not keep it.. Just like before.. He will loose his endurance and get whipped in the 3rd round, probably by GSP.. Then, he will go to Japan again or something and GSP will have the title.

Or a stranger version, Hughes will regain the title from Penn, Penn goes to Japan and GSP will have to sit on the sidelines another dozen title shots to reclaim it all over again... Boy won't that be fun..


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Old 09-26-2006, 02:00 AM   #53 (permalink)
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If Penn didn't get hurt, he would have won. Simple as that.
Sorry for the sarcasm Esotera.. I could not tell if you were serious or just mocking.. I just assumed you were mocking and was unaware there actually was a statement from him regarding an injury.

That is an interesting point, seeing he did have sort of an odd look on his face at the end of round 2. Almost like he knew he was going to have a hard time in round 3. I just thought it was fatigue.

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Old 09-26-2006, 02:12 AM   #54 (permalink)
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If Penn didn't eat 100 elbows and if the referee would have just not called it for Hughes, he would have won.. Simple as that..

Or maybe if Hughes would have just played dead and let Penn pound the crap out of him, he would have won, simple as that...

Or maybe, if Penn wouldn't have gotten beat, he would have won. Simple as that..

Dude, it would have just ate a few more elbows, he might have just sprung up like Shamrock did against Tito... Simple as that..

Guy how dumb are you? Penn messed up his ribs in the second round, he didnt gas out. Get your facts straight. Penn was DOMINATING the fight until then. It was an INJURY. Don't go and twist what I said. I said, Penn would have won if he did not get hurt. Hughes couldn't do ANYTHING to him until he was hurt. Penn said he let Hughes take him down because he could not stand, and let him mount because he'd rather get punched in the face then in the ribs. Watch the fight again, you can see exactly where Penn gets hurt.
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Old 09-26-2006, 02:27 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Guy how dumb are you? Penn messed up his ribs in the second round, he didnt gas out. Get your facts straight. Penn was DOMINATING the fight until then. It was an INJURY. Don't go and twist what I said. I said, Penn would have won if he did not get hurt. Hughes couldn't do ANYTHING to him until he was hurt. Penn said he let Hughes take him down because he could not stand, and let him mount because he'd rather get punched in the face then in the ribs. Watch the fight again, you can see exactly where Penn gets hurt.
Getting injured is part of fighting, clearly his injury was a direct result of something that Matt Hughes did. Getting Cut or injured is part of it, if you can manage to cut someone, its a win just like a knockout. It sucks to be winning a fight and having that occur, but thats how it goes. Besides we are going off Penn's statement that he was injured, I wont believe it until I see evidence other than Penn's heresay.

Anything can happen in a fight, hopefully we will see a third fight, settle it once and for all.

On a sidenote, I went back and looked at the fight in round two where Penn said he hurt his ribs. In my opinion I dont see how he could have pulled off the that beautiful transition to the triangle and arm bar if his ribs were killing him. At the beginning of round three you could see him sluggishly punch and defend. I just dont buy the whole injury thing. He just ran out of energy trying to hold the submission at the end of round 2

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Old 09-26-2006, 03:28 AM   #56 (permalink)
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On a sidenote, I went back and looked at the fight in round two where Penn said he hurt his ribs. In my opinion I dont see how he could have pulled off the that beautiful transition to the triangle and arm bar if his ribs were killing him. At the beginning of round three you could see him sluggishly punch and defend. I just dont buy the whole injury thing. He just ran out of energy trying to hold the submission at the end of round 2
I think Esotera has a point. He appeared to gas abruptly,which seems a bit odd. Second time watching, it looked like Hughes and penn where about the same in fatigue in their corner..

Maybe a combination of fatigue and rib injury? He was lowering his arms, and seemed to have signs of fatigue.. Maybe the injury added on top of fatigue did him in mentally.
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Old 09-26-2006, 11:19 AM   #57 (permalink)
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3 things Hughes proved in that fight:

1. He is mediocre on the ground.
2. He is mediocre in standup - only in a 3rd round was he able to deliver anything of consequence, at the point where BJ was completely gassed with his hands down. At this point pretty much anyone would have been able to do some damage.
3. He has sensitivity of a 15 year old girl - "ooooooh, GSP was so mean to me... "

Overall he does have stamina of an ox, and a pretty decent chin - a simple hero for a simple mind.....
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Old 09-27-2006, 10:10 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Too bad for Penn

Watching BJ Penn is a real pleasure. Man he is a good fighter. He is, I think, the best overall MMA fighter in the UFC. His boxing outclasses virtually everyone he's met, his ground skills have no equal (in the UFC anyway), and he has tremendous fighting instincts, something that can't be taught. His worst enemy may be himself though. He was quoted as saying that he didn't want to go through too rigorous training because he loses the drive. That's too bad. He probably would be the title holder right now if his cardio was better. I didn't notice any rib injury to Penn, but I'll go back and look at the fight. He just looked really gassed. Maybe it was a combination. He did look a little off in this fight. In any case, he's an incredibly gifted fighter and I hope that he sticks to it and comes back again. Too bad that such a talented fighter has had so many setbacks.

I also like Matt Hughes, but he's a boring fighter. He's a great guy, an excellent ambassador for the sport, but his days are numbered. GSP is gonna win in the rematch. Once that happens it might be difficult for BJ to get the title because I think that GSP is just getting better and better. It will be a war though. And GSP is lots of fun to watch, in and out of the cage.

Here's hoping that BJ comes back strong and in shape next time..
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Old 09-28-2006, 03:47 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Gotta give Hughes Credit..

You have to give Hughes credit.. He accomplished what he set out to do. He took all of his available aresenal and considered his best strategy to gas Penn.. It worked in the end, but it was a really close call on round 2.

So, Hughes did out think his opponent,which is part of the fight.. if you can't outfight, out strategize.

Hughes, I think, took a step back and looked at the bigger picture. Penn just looked for the win and did not consider the endurance factor, or atleast did not consider it as relevant as he should have..

Penn said before it is a battle of wills.. Well, he needs to step up, do some annoying cardio and win.. Yes, it might burn him out, but he will have the title.. Does he want it bad enough?

Also, why couldn't he be creative.. I am sure there is a way to regiment the training so it doesn't burn you out.. Try something new, maybe the old saying, "Work hard, play hard"..

Of course, who am I to speak? Haven't really ever had to train for anything other than swimming competitions.

Actually, now I think about it.. Swimming is probably one of the best ways to stay injury free and get the cardio killer..

Do about 10 500 yard sets and you are got killer cardio.. I did that once and man, that kicks your butt.

Thats 200 links of the pool, almost straight..

Also, i recall runners often would do this type of swimming to stay in shape in the off season.

I recall the wrestlers would "attempt" to swim in the pool to show off their stuff and we used to just laugh at their complete lack of ability and how quickly they would gas...

We would take 120 pound wimps and have them do a race against the best wrestlers and watch them get creamed. It was hilarious.

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