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Outcome Odds Total Bets Total Staked
Tim Sylvia 1/1 F (1.00) 81 28458092 WIN!
Brandon Vera 2/1 (2.00) 188 137206163  
Draw 5/1 (5.00) 1 2000  

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Old 10-19-2007, 03:48 PM   #51 (permalink)
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20K on Tim. i'll be happy if Vera wins, but i wouldnt bet money on it.
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Old 10-19-2007, 05:08 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Seems like lots of people think Vera will win, but they not betting big money on it.

I think Tim's got this one and unless Brandon proves something to us come Saturday, people are just going to be reminded of how big of a threat Tim really is. This is one of the youngest 2 time UFC HW champ. He has wins over Ben Rothwell, Ricco Rodriguez, Andrei Arlovski, Jeff Monson and so on. In addiiton, hes never been knocked out in his 26 pro fight career.

I see Vera delivering plenty of leg, mid-section kicks a la Jardine style and lookign for those submissions, ankle locks. Brandon def has a fair chance, but i see Tim tipping the scale.
Thats all great on a resume, but it doesnt respect his current condition.

This is his first fight after rehab for 3 herniated disks (pinched sciatic nerve)...

Anyone who has had this injury before KNOWS that its not trivial... this is a debilitating injury, most are career ending.

If the disks where between s1, l5, l4, and l3... good grief!
He's not going to be shuffling fast or using his hips.
I think hes going to be counting on Vera bringing the fight to him, which is a mistake.

Tim needs to smother him, but that cant happen if Tim cant chase him.
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:47 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Thats all great on a resume, but it doesnt respect his current condition.

This is his first fight after rehab for 3 herniated disks (pinched sciatic nerve)...

Anyone who has had this injury before KNOWS that its not trivial... this is a debilitating injury, most are career ending.

If the disks where between s1, l5, l4, and l3... good grief!
He's not going to be shuffling fast or using his hips.
I think hes going to be counting on Vera bringing the fight to him, which is a mistake.

Tim needs to smother him, but that cant happen if Tim cant chase him.
no offense dude but there is a story the recovery nurses couldn't keep him in bed after the surgery. He jumped outta bed he was so happy the pain was gone. I would agree that a normal person might be that way but athletes like these do amazing shit all the time. Look at Cro Cop with his nose and the doctor being amazed he fought. kurt angle's neck in the olympics, Wandy fighting Dan just days after having strep throat and a very dangerously high fever, sokoudjou(sp?) taking a fight on short short notice with two fractured hands-I could go on but I think you get the picture. Not to mention his recovery time and things he has been doing in training like swimming with hand paddles that has improved his back and sholders.

Sylvia is pain free and is saying he will come into the fight at 250 lbs. that is light. I haven't checked the weigh results....well 260.5 is still pretty good. While I see your point I hope his back won't be a problem.
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Old 10-19-2007, 10:24 PM   #54 (permalink)
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another 2k on Vera.
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Old 10-20-2007, 12:13 AM   #55 (permalink)
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no offense dude but there is a story the recovery nurses couldn't keep him in bed after the surgery. He jumped outta bed he was so happy the pain was gone. I would agree that a normal person might be that way but athletes like these do amazing shit all the time. Look at Cro Cop with his nose and the doctor being amazed he fought. kurt angle's neck in the olympics, Wandy fighting Dan just days after having strep throat and a very dangerously high fever, sokoudjou(sp?) taking a fight on short short notice with two fractured hands-I could go on but I think you get the picture. Not to mention his recovery time and things he has been doing in training like swimming with hand paddles that has improved his back and sholders.

Sylvia is pain free and is saying he will come into the fight at 250 lbs. that is light. I haven't checked the weigh results....well 260.5 is still pretty good. While I see your point I hope his back won't be a problem.

Unlike fractured bones or strained muscles... soft tissue injuries are the worst.
When the cartilage in a QB knees go, his career is over.
A disk in your back isnt hard like bone, its soft and the center is even softer... Ive had 2 disk herniations on two different occasions.

He got his vertebrae fused to keep the disk from being crushed, which means his flexiblity (what little there was) is shot.

Which is why he was swimming and biking... he cant handle high impact exercises anymore... his spine is like a shock absorber, if he jumps/runs/twists, hes gonna pay for it.
He can build up as much back/shoulder muscles as he wants, they wont counter gravity nor compensate for the disk herniation... muscles only contract and relax, they dont expand, so there is nothing he can do to keep the disk from being crushed.

Its good that he lost weight, cause it all helps to take the load off of his back, hence his spine.

You can try to compensate for disk, but its never going to be same... you simply cannot build back the soft tissue... and once you get it, you are prone for the re-occurance.

Its good that he is pain free, but he isnt going to push himself to where he might suffer and injury during training either... which is not going to be the case as soon as he steps inside that ring.

Dont get me wrong, I dont think he will be dead in the water... but you simply dont walk away from a severe injury like that unscathed.

I just hope you are right and that he actually did recover fully from his injury.
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I came in drunk last night and put all my points on Vera
Ah well, come on the Sylvia. It all depends how Ti is after the surgery, but I'm thinking the Truth is gonna get syomped. We will know in the first few seconds of the fight.
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Old 10-20-2007, 05:49 AM   #57 (permalink)
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Unlike fractured bones or strained muscles... soft tissue injuries are the worst.
When the cartilage in a QB knees go, his career is over.
A disk in your back isnt hard like bone, its soft and the center is even softer... Ive had 2 disk herniations on two different occasions.

He got his vertebrae fused to keep the disk from being crushed, which means his flexiblity (what little there was) is shot.

Which is why he was swimming and biking... he cant handle high impact exercises anymore... his spine is like a shock absorber, if he jumps/runs/twists, hes gonna pay for it.
He can build up as much back/shoulder muscles as he wants, they wont counter gravity nor compensate for the disk herniation... muscles only contract and relax, they dont expand, so there is nothing he can do to keep the disk from being crushed.

Its good that he lost weight, cause it all helps to take the load off of his back, hence his spine.

You can try to compensate for disk, but its never going to be same... you simply cannot build back the soft tissue... and once you get it, you are prone for the re-occurance.

Its good that he is pain free, but he isnt going to push himself to where he might suffer and injury during training either... which is not going to be the case as soon as he steps inside that ring.

Dont get me wrong, I dont think he will be dead in the water... but you simply dont walk away from a severe injury like that unscathed.

I just hope you are right and that he actually did recover fully from his injury.
Good points...I guess in a few hours we will have all the answers. I guess for me I use to watch "pro"-wrestling and a lot of those guys have fused backs and what not so I might have been thinking about that. Time will tell.
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:08 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Sylvia by UD, bring on Big Nog.
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:36 AM   #60 (permalink)
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i cant wait for nog-sylvia its gonna be a damn good fight
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