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Rampage Jackson 12/5 (2.40) 47 633261 WIN!
Lyoto Machida 100/241 F (0.41) 37 7036797  

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Old 11-21-2010, 06:08 PM   #41 (permalink)
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As many as you wish Ape ;D But better let us clink classes on Lyoto's return. He took literaly no damage and the x-factor of having that KO loss are out of the way too.
He will be back

I just wish he would lose some of that muscle mass again He looks soooo heavy in there these days.. I want the small elusive Machida back, who weighed in at 202 Ape. I think it hinders him way too much.

I did not only lose all my credits^^ but also my Parlay bet with Cain.. Well, thats betting I guess haha
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Old 11-21-2010, 06:44 PM   #42 (permalink)
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As many as you wish Ape ;D But better let us clink classes on Lyoto's return. He took literaly no damage and the x-factor of having that KO loss are out of the way too.
He will be back

I just wish he would lose some of that muscle mass again He looks soooo heavy in there these days.. I want the small elusive Machida back, who weighed in at 202 Ape. I think it hinders him way too much.

I did not only lose all my credits^^ but also my Parlay bet with Cain.. Well, thats betting I guess haha
Good point, man. Lyoto was consistently coming in lighter before.

I think last night though the main issue he was a bit gun shy and more importantly did not attampt to get Rampage down early in the fight.

I think a few early take downs would have made all the difference in his confidence and also scored him some much needed points in the first round.

I honeslty do not think it would have taken much for Lyoto to steal either of the first two rounds with a take down and gnp or a flurry like we saw in the third.

You are right though, Bobby, this will help him shake off his first tko loss, and if he just comes in a little more aggressive with strikes and take downs I think he will easily take the rematch.
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Old 11-21-2010, 07:01 PM   #43 (permalink)
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True Ape!

Many things worked against him in this fight, also the mental pressure coming in.. wich he talked about so many times.

Do you wanna see the rematch Ape? I think I would even prefer a match with the winner of Franklin/Griffin.

I think the UFC will try to get Rampage into a title fight somehow now..

Glad you recorginzed his weight difference too Ape. I truly believe it hinders him in his entire movements.
He just isn't the light Machida anymore.. he stands so heavy in there..

I would really love to know how much he really weighed at fight night?!
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Old 11-21-2010, 07:19 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Machida going for takedowns against Rampage would have just been a waste of energy and a big mistake likely ending with him on the bottom or against the cage eating shots or getting caught by a big hook.

He did exactly what he should have done although he needs to be a little more aggressive so he doesn't get robbed of decisions becuase of a lack of aggression/octagon control.

The problem with Machida is he is a one trick pony and guys are starting to get him figured out. He is a great counter striker but his opponents don't even have to throw punches to back him up.
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Old 11-21-2010, 07:35 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Ape is just saying, that one or two Takedowns in the first or second, would have scored at least one of these close rounds to Lyoto (comfortably). Thats all he needed to get a deserved W.
Wich he is absoluetly right with!

On the other things you said, I disagree strongly of course.
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I thought the first two were a toss up. But I also thought Machida won the last one 10-8. I was expecting a draw or win for Machida. Kinda hard to complain about the decision when both guys refused to engage for two rounds...
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Ape is just saying, that one or two Takedowns in the first or second, would have scored at least one of these close rounds to Lyoto (comfortably). Thats all he needed to get a deserved W.
Wich he is absoluetly right with!

On the other things you said, I disagree strongly of course.
Of course 1 or 2 takedowns would have won him the fight. Going for those takedowns would have lost him the fight in a more dominant fashion imo.

Machida trying to outwrestle Rampage is a horrible game plan... It keeps him out of his effective striking range and he isn't a great wrestler while Rampage has pretty good wrestling/clinch and is at home fighting in a short distance.

I don't even know where this takedowns talk is coming from... The guy has tripped/knocked down opponents a handful of times over his career, never dominated a fight on the ground and yet you think that should have been his gameplan? He is an elusive counter striker not a wrestler...
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Of course 1 or 2 takedowns would have won him the fight. Going for those takedowns would have lost him the fight in a more dominant fashion imo.

Machida trying to outwrestle Rampage is a horrible game plan... It keeps him out of his effective striking range and he isn't a great wrestler while Rampage has pretty good wrestling/clinch and is at home fighting in a short distance.

I don't even know where this takedowns talk is coming from... The guy has tripped/knocked down opponents a handful of times over his career, never dominated a fight on the ground and yet you think that should have been his gameplan? He is an elusive counter striker not a wrestler...
Did you turn off the TV after the second round, or why do you say such things?

Lyoto knew, and everybody else knew, that his ground game is far superior to Rampage.

Lyoto is not a Wrestler, but he trained it a lot lately and uses his Sumo background for clinching and Takedowns with trips.

Rampage has excellent TDD, thats the reason why Lyoto struggled at the first attempt. The second was already successful with him nearly finishing Rampage via armbar.
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Of course 1 or 2 takedowns would have won him the fight. Going for those takedowns would have lost him the fight in a more dominant fashion imo.

Machida trying to outwrestle Rampage is a horrible game plan... It keeps him out of his effective striking range and he isn't a great wrestler while Rampage has pretty good wrestling/clinch and is at home fighting in a short distance.

I don't even know where this takedowns talk is coming from... The guy has tripped/knocked down opponents a handful of times over his career, never dominated a fight on the ground and yet you think that should have been his gameplan? He is an elusive counter striker not a wrestler...
...whut?

Machida took down, mounted, and attempted to submit Rampage with three separate techniques in the third round. He outgrappled him with ease in the third. I attribute the ease of te takedown as being part of Rampage getting rocked, but most of that groundwork was with a recovered Rampage (I see him as being "recovered" when he had the presence of mind to close his half-guard).
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