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vBookie Event: Liddell vs Sobral UFC 62 (UFC 62 - Aug 26, 2006)

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Liddell vs Sobral UFC 62 (UFC 62 - Aug 26, 2006)

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Outcome Odds Total Bets Total Staked
Chuck Liddell 4/1 (4.00) 107 103351 WIN!
Renato Sobral 3/1 F (3.00) 21 10313  

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Old 08-07-2006, 02:00 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Uh that was 1999. Chuck is now a way better fighter and has not lost to submission since. Plus he rarely goes to the ground. Babalu is too small to get him on the ground.
I know it was 99 and I know Chuck is far more progressed since then. But if it counts as a sub then he has been submitted, however it was Referee Stoppage and not a tap out. So thats why I was asking if it counts as a sub or not, because people say he's never been submitted.

Now as for Renato being small, what does that mean? He's 1 inch shorter than Chuck but the same weight and has faught in a higher weight class than the 205 div in tha past and has more MMA fights/wins than Chuck. Therefore, I think he'll get Chuck to the ground. I think he wants it bad enough and I think he's training specifically for Chuck and his take down defense.

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Old 08-09-2006, 06:33 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I don't see it going different from the last fight. Babalu is still the same fighter as he was at UFC 40 except hes gotten better at striking, takedowns, and submissions thats about it, hes still the same just more dominant and hasn't faught anyone like Chuck yet. He will try to take Chuck down but will be striked in the face and eventually TKO'd. I can picture this fight going the same way Horn and Liddell went.

At UFC 19 where Chuck lost I don't think it was submission because he didn't tap he just fell unconcious therefore the referee stopped it. He was badly hurt and should have tapped out. I don't know, the last time I saw that fight was a long time ago.
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Old 08-09-2006, 07:10 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Renato is more dominant than Jeremy and he's not going to just try to stand with Liddell like Horn did. Renato has beatin Horn and a series of other well-known and good fighters.

Just so you know you said Babalu has gotten better at Striking, Take Downs and Submissions and thats it, and you know what that is it! What else does he need? He's defenitely going to have the conditioning, so thats not something he needs to improve on.
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Hey chuck

on the 1st round tko. All the one guys got is extremly good submission and chuck had his number the first time. I think Chuck ends it before it goes to the ground. I have Hughes in the rematch with GSP on 3 round ko or referee stoppage. I have forest in a decision against bonnar. Diego in 2nd round tko of karo, but I hate Diego. Karo kick his ass, but i wouldnt bet on it. Check out the commerical for diego, some weak stuff. And chuck was taken down plenty of times by Rampage Jackson. Its only a matter of time before these pride guys come in and take the belts.
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Old 08-14-2006, 02:56 AM   #35 (permalink)
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oh and chuck did tap against horn. I watched the video, whether it was stopped or not, his hand hit the mat.
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So what if he tapped, he is not going to this time because Renato is no Jeremy Horn. Chuck 2nd rock TKO Strikes or KO Punch. Chuck is not going to take this fight to the ground if Renato falls to the ground and stays in his guard Chuck will just be like Crocop saying "Come on get up". Then strike him out.
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:09 AM   #37 (permalink)
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So what if he tapped, he is not going to this time because Renato is no Jeremy Horn. Chuck 2nd rock TKO Strikes or KO Punch. Chuck is not going to take this fight to the ground if Renato falls to the ground and stays in his guard Chuck will just be like Crocop saying "Come on get up". Then strike him out.
Your right, Renato is no Jeremy Horn, because Jeremy is no Renato.
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Your right, Renato is no Jeremy Horn, because Jeremy is no Renato.
True there. We all have different opinions. I think Horn is better because he has more accomplishments and as a 30 year old the most MMA wins by a UFC veteran. Hes also a middleweight but fights light heavyweights because he has guts.
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My three top guys for subs in the UFC are Dean, Renato and Jeremy (not in any order).
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:21 AM   #40 (permalink)
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My three top guys for subs in the UFC are Dean, Renato and Jeremy (not in any order).
Jeremy Horn isn't with the UFC anymore. So here are my top three choices:
1. Renato Sobral
2. Matt Hughes
3. Dean Lister
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