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Johny Hendricks 21/10 (2.10) 16 691587 WIN!

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Old 12-25-2011, 03:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Johny Hendricks will DESTROY Jon fitch .. while Jon Fitch is too busy playing video games .. Johny Hendricks is busy training , also Johny Hendricks has a much better stand up and was only take down once by Mike Pierce and that was in round 3 .

I had Johny Hendricks winning that fight 29-28 giving him round 1 and 2 .. while very narrowly fiving Mike Pierce round 3 due to the take down for the most part ..

Johny Hendricks is a faster , younger .. better wrestler version of Fitch .. and not to mention not BORING !

Jon fitch better bring his pillow .. cuz his going night night .. his boring game plan won't work against a wrestler like fitch .. and on the feet he will get picked apart ..

Johny Hendricks was picking apart Mike Pierce on the feet and had him moving backwards for most of the fight .. and got the better of almost every exchange in my opinon .. while Fitch got ROCKED and destroyed by Mike Pierce on the feet .. especially in round 3

add in the fact that the Mike pierce that fought Johny Hendricks in my opinon was a shit ton better then the Mike Pierce who fought Jon Fitch at UFC 107

Johny Hendricks by late TKO/KO or 30-27 unanimous decision
1st, I don't know if you've heard or not but Fitch basically lives in the gym. The dude wasn't blessed with "god Given" talent like the GSPs and Anderson Silva's of the world so he works for all of it. I guarantee you Fitch is working harder than any other fighter you've ever seen, especially with GSP out and his shot at a title coming very quickly if he stomps Hendricks.

Pierce beat Fitch standing, yes. How long ago was that? Over two years? Oh. That's no time at all to become better at a skill right? Fitch didn't beat the shit out of Thiago Alves standing did he? Oh right. He did. Alves is also a better striker than Hendricks could ever hope to be and with more power to boot.

Oh and the ground game is a no contest. Hendricks is a great wrestler, Jon is a great grappler. If Jon gets him on the floor he's breaking something or putting Johny to sleep.

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Old 12-25-2011, 04:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
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1st, I don't know if you've heard or not but Fitch basically lives in the gym. The dude wasn't blessed with "god Given" talent like the GSPs and Anderson Silva's of the world so he works for all of it. I guarantee you Fitch is working harder than any other fighter you've ever seen, especially with GSP out and his shot at a title coming very quickly if he stomps Hendricks.

Pierce beat Fitch standing, yes. How long ago was that? Over two years? Oh. That's no time at all to become better at a skill right? Fitch didn't beat the shit out of Thiago Alves standing did he? Oh right. He did. Alves is also a better striker than Hendricks could ever hope to be and with more power to boot.

Oh and the ground game is a no contest. Hendricks is a great wrestler, Jon is a great grappler. If Jon gets him on the floor he's breaking something or putting Johny to sleep.

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breaking something or putting Johny to sleep ?! lol !!! Fitch has not finished anyone since 2007

his last fight was a draw against BJ penn


It don`t matter if someone practically lives in the gym .. if a guy sucks at fighting .. he just sucks that`s the end of that .

Mike Pierce could barely get Johny Hendricks to the ground .. and that was in round 3 and only for a short period of time did he get him down

Johny Hendricks has the wrestling advantage in this fight with Fitch

Power wise .. Johny Hendricks is far more powerful then Jon Fitch

experiance advantage probably goes to Jon Fitch

Striking .. the advantage goes to Johny Hendricks for sure


Fitch`s only chance is a miracle lay and pray which is not gonna happen .. only because Johny Hendricks is an even better wrestler then Jon Fitch .. Jon fitch`s wrestling is overrated if u ask me .

I swear to god I`d bet my left arm If I could .. that`s how much I am sure Johny Hendricks is gonna win ..

Johny Hendricks is a LOCK for me in his fight against Jon Fitch

just my opinion .. let`s not argue and wait till Friday night to find out

heeeeeeere comes Johnyyy !!!

I see a late KO/TKO for Johny Hendricks .. or a 30-27 unanimous decision .. Possibly a 30-26
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breaking something or putting Johny to sleep ?! lol !!! Fitch has not finished anyone since 2007

his last fight was a draw against BJ penn
Your point? Hendricks would be destroyed by BJ. Let's also not forget that had that fight gone on any longer It would've been done. Jon Fitch did nothing in that last round except destroy BJ. There are quite a few people who think he won that fight as well.


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It don`t matter if someone practically lives in the gym .. if a guy sucks at fighting .. he just sucks that`s the end of that .
That's terribly ignorant. GSP used to suck at fighting. He talks about being bullied all the time. Training and hard work make a great fighter far more often than natural abilities and "scrappiness" ever do.

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Mike Pierce could barely get Johny Hendricks to the ground .. and that was in round 3 and only for a short period of time did he get him down
First off, Jon Fitch is not Mike Pierce. Jon Fitch is no longer a wrestler. He doesn't shoot power doubles like Pierce does. Jon is a grappler with a wrestling back ground. His takedown game is more diverse than anyone in the UFC. His grappling is off the charts ridiculous when he gets dudes to the ground. Now I want to clarify something since you seem to be lobbing things into categories they don't belong (We'll get to that more in a second): Grappling =/= Wrestling. BJJ =/= Submissions. Jon's BJJ is brilliant. His top game is second to none. When's the last time you actually saw someone get up when Jon took them down? How often does he gain advantageous position on the ground? How well does he just wreck dudes from guard? Take a look at the fight with BJ for a second. BJ gets off his back extremely quick and there are only two people who have been able to actually hold the dude down for any period of time. GSP and Fitch. BJ also has some of the BEST take down defense you will ever see. He stood 0 chance of not going to the ground with Jon. Hendricks will suffer the same fate.

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Johny Hendricks has the wrestling advantage in this fight with Fitch

Power wise .. Johny Hendricks is far more powerful then Jon Fitch
This is where you start getting confirmation bias. TDD goes to Johny, sure. Wrestling? Par I'd say. Grappling? By miles in favor of Fitch. Again, Fitch is a very well rounded GRAPPLER, not a wrestler. Watch him fight and see how often he shoots a double leg or a single leg. Watch how much he uses trips and off balancing for his take downs. Those are not traditional wrestling maneuvers, sir. Johny has great takedown defense against someone like Pierce who is going to shoot a double on him, yes. Jon may shoot a double to close the gap, but that's not going to be how he takes him down once he gets there, trust me.

Power I do give to Hendricks, Strength on the other hand goes to Jon.

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experiance advantage probably goes to Jon Fitch
PROBABLY? Let's take a look at their records eh?
Hendricks: 11-1, fighting since 2007. Never fought a ranked opponent aside from maybe Story.

Fitch: 23-3-1-1, Fighting since 2002. Fought for the UFC WW Championship. Has fought GSP, BJ Penn, Thiago Alves (x2) and Sanchez, all of whom were ranked.

Pretty sure the clear advantage is to Fitch on that bud.

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Striking .. the advantage goes to Johny Hendricks for sure
No. You're confusing striking power with striking. Johny will have a power advantage, yes, but Fitch will win the stand up. Jon has had shit striking in the past but he has improved by leaps and bounds over his past few fights. He just destroyed Alves standing and fared pretty well against BJ, one of the best boxers in the UFC in many opinions.
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Your point? Hendricks would be destroyed by BJ. Let's also not forget that had that fight gone on any longer It would've been done. Jon Fitch did nothing in that last round except destroy BJ. There are quite a few people who think he won that fight as well.




That's terribly ignorant. GSP used to suck at fighting. He talks about being bullied all the time. Training and hard work make a great fighter far more often than natural abilities and "scrappiness" ever do.



First off, Jon Fitch is not Mike Pierce. Jon Fitch is no longer a wrestler. He doesn't shoot power doubles like Pierce does. Jon is a grappler with a wrestling back ground. His takedown game is more diverse than anyone in the UFC. His grappling is off the charts ridiculous when he gets dudes to the ground. Now I want to clarify something since you seem to be lobbing things into categories they don't belong (We'll get to that more in a second): Grappling =/= Wrestling. BJJ =/= Submissions. Jon's BJJ is brilliant. His top game is second to none. When's the last time you actually saw someone get up when Jon took them down? How often does he gain advantageous position on the ground? How well does he just wreck dudes from guard? Take a look at the fight with BJ for a second. BJ gets off his back extremely quick and there are only two people who have been able to actually hold the dude down for any period of time. GSP and Fitch. BJ also has some of the BEST take down defense you will ever see. He stood 0 chance of not going to the ground with Jon. Hendricks will suffer the same fate.



This is where you start getting confirmation bias. TDD goes to Johny, sure. Wrestling? Par I'd say. Grappling? By miles in favor of Fitch. Again, Fitch is a very well rounded GRAPPLER, not a wrestler. Watch him fight and see how often he shoots a double leg or a single leg. Watch how much he uses trips and off balancing for his take downs. Those are not traditional wrestling maneuvers, sir. Johny has great takedown defense against someone like Pierce who is going to shoot a double on him, yes. Jon may shoot a double to close the gap, but that's not going to be how he takes him down once he gets there, trust me.

Power I do give to Hendricks, Strength on the other hand goes to Jon.



PROBABLY? Let's take a look at their records eh?
Hendricks: 11-1, fighting since 2007. Never fought a ranked opponent aside from maybe Story.

Fitch: 23-3-1-1, Fighting since 2002. Fought for the UFC WW Championship. Has fought GSP, BJ Penn, Thiago Alves (x2) and Sanchez, all of whom were ranked.

Pretty sure the clear advantage is to Fitch on that bud.



No. You're confusing striking power with striking. Johny will have a power advantage, yes, but Fitch will win the stand up. Jon has had shit striking in the past but he has improved by leaps and bounds over his past few fights. He just destroyed Alves standing and fared pretty well against BJ, one of the best boxers in the UFC in many opinions.
BJ would destroy Hendricks ?! WRONG

BJ penn is a small 155er with little to no wrestling and a bad gas tank and he is out of his prime .

Stylistically .. Johny Hendricks is a HORRIBLE match up for BJ Penn .. Johny Hendricks has very good cardio and keeps coming forward and putting pressure on his opponents ,BJ Penn would get destroyed in the stand up and on the ground

Let`s not forget Mike Pierce was destroying Jon Fitch on the feet and in round 3 he was close to finishing Jon Fitch .. had that fight gone 1 more round Mike Pierce could of very well finished Jon Fitch or won by decision .

power , strength , speed , Athletisim goes to Johny Hendricks

Johny Hendricks on the other hand was winning the stand up war against Mike Pierce and he won round 1 and 2 against Mike Pierce pretty easily .. with round 3 being VERY close but i gave a very slight edge to Mike Pierce in that round .. even though a 10-10 round would be possible since Hendricks was destroying Mike Pierce on the feet and has in my opinion right now possibly one of the best stand up`s in the UFC .. he is a fighter that constantly improves with each fight .. while Jon Fitch has stayed the same through out his whole career in my opinion .

now let`s look at the Jon Fitch vs Mike Pierce fight ..

Jon fitch was getting destroyed in the stand up and round 1 in that fight was close but went to Fitch .. Round 2 was very close too but I gave it to Mike Pierce

Round 3 Mike Pierce absolutely destroyed him and was close to knocking him out .. could give Mike Pierce 10-9 easily in that round .. some may argue it was a 10-8 though as he was very dominant .

I understand ur a Jon Fitch fan .. but Johny Hendricks is a horrible match up for him stylistic wise ..

the only other legit wrestler Jon Fitch faced was Mike Pierce .. and he gave him a ton of trouble ..

Johny Hendricks is an even better wrestler and through out his MMA career did not even bother working on his wrestling .. but for this camp he working on his wrestling heavily just to be prepared .
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[quote=2kni3;1522920]BJ would destroy Hendricks ?! WRONG

BJ penn is a small 155er with little to no wrestling and a bad gas tank and he is out of his prime .

Stylistically .. Johny Hendricks is a HORRIBLE match up for BJ Penn .. Johny Hendricks has very good cardio and keeps coming forward and putting pressure on his opponents ,BJ Penn would get destroyed in the stand up and on the ground[quote]

This is down right delusional man. Seriously. Hendricks is a terrible match up for Penn? How many wrestlers has BJ made a career out of stomping? Sherk, Hughes, Sanchez and Stevenson are all GREAT wrestlers. Sherk and Hughes being two of the best of all time in their divisions at wrestling. Hughes had 0 chance of taking BJ down in that fight. I don't know where the hell you're getting that BJ has no wrestling because he's got EXCELLENT wrestling. His TDD is ridiculous, his balance is damn near flawless and his offensive wrestling (when he actually chooses to use it, like against Fitch) is very, very good. Sure BJ has had cardio issues in the past but he's had no problem going 3 rounds with anyone in a long time.

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Let`s not forget Mike Pierce was destroying Jon Fitch on the feet and in round 3 he was close to finishing Jon Fitch .. had that fight gone 1 more round Mike Pierce could of very well finished Jon Fitch or won by decision .
He caught him with a good shot, yes. Pierce has some serious power, too, and a lot of fighters would've went out from that. Jon has more heart and a better chin than a lot of fighters. Hendricks won't put him away.

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power , strength , speed , Athletisim goes to Johny Hendricks
No way in hell. Power yes. Strength? No way. Jon is like 220 in his off season and he manhandles every WW he gets his hands on. He's easily one of the strongest WW fighters in the UFC if not the strongest. Speed I think is par. Neither fighter is particularly fast standing. Jon will run circles on him on the floor though. And Athleticism is a clear victory for Fitch. When's the last time you saw the dude gas? I've NEVER seen it happen and he puts up a pace that very, very few fighters can even hope to contend with. Between Johny constantly fighting off takedowns, trying to stand back up and stop from being choked he's going to be gassed midway through the second.


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Johny Hendricks on the other hand was winning the stand up war against Mike Pierce and he won round 1 and 2 against Mike Pierce pretty easily .. with round 3 being VERY close but i gave a very slight edge to Mike Pierce in that round .. even though a 10-10 round would be possible since Hendricks was destroying Mike Pierce on the feet and has in my opinion right now possibly one of the best stand up`s in the UFC .. he is a fighter that constantly improves with each fight .. while Jon Fitch has stayed the same through out his whole career in my opinion .
WHAT!? I'm not sure if you're talking about Hendricks or Pierce but either way that's absolutely ridiculous. Pierce is a bit more refined but he's still a sloppy power puncher. Hendricks is even worse with the way he just wings haymakers. And if you think Jon has stayed the same throughout his career go back and watch his fights with Alves and BJ and tell me his stand up hasn't improved. He beat the **** out of Alves standing and Avles is a better striker than both Hendricks and Pierce combined.

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now let`s look at the Jon Fitch vs Mike Pierce fight ..

Jon fitch was getting destroyed in the stand up and round 1 in that fight was close but went to Fitch .. Round 2 was very close too but I gave it to Mike Pierce

Round 3 Mike Pierce absolutely destroyed him and was close to knocking him out .. could give Mike Pierce 10-9 easily in that round .. some may argue it was a 10-8 though as he was very dominant .
IIRC isn't the second round where Jon took him down and almost choked him the whole round? Had his back most of the time etc etc. I hardly call that winning the round.

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I understand ur a Jon Fitch fan .. but Johny Hendricks is a horrible match up for him stylistic wise ..

the only other legit wrestler Jon Fitch faced was Mike Pierce .. and he gave him a ton of trouble ..

Johny Hendricks is an even better wrestler and through out his MMA career did not even bother working on his wrestling .. but for this camp he working on his wrestling heavily just to be prepared .
This has nothing to do with me being a Fitch fan and everything to do with me being an MMA fan. I'm breaking down this fight with relavtive unbias (or trying to). Hendricks is not a nightmare match up for Fitch at all. He poses his threats (basically a big right hand) but it's nothing Jon hasn't dealt with in other fighters before. Hendricks has looked really, really good fighting a lot of bottom of the barrel guys, but the gap in skill between those guys and the guys at the top of the heap like Fitch, Alves and GSP are really going to be highlighted in this fight.
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lol , I don`t know If I should keep arguing with you or just wait till friday night till you look stupid , you`ll see friday night .. just don`t go calling Johny Hendricks win a fluke haha
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Round 1 - Referee Steve Mazzagatti oversees this key welterweight contest. Fitch misses a few early punches. Southpaw Hendricks uncorks a huge left hand as his first punch of the night, and Fitch crumples to the canvas, and Hendricks lands one more. That's it. Incredible finish, and Hendricks has arrived as a contender. Johny Hendricks def. Jon Fitch via knockout (punches) - Round 1, 0:12.
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Well, time to eat crow on that. I still hold true to waht I said about me thinking Jon is a better wrestler/grappler but shit... Props to Hendricks man.
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