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Old 02-22-2012, 03:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I know a lot of people have really bought into the Ellenberger hype, and his run is impressive. But can he win a five round fight and what happens after he loses, will he stick around at the top the division or fall into Dan Hardy land. He's sort of avoided all of the top wrestlers in the division and that also gives me pause.
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I know a lot of people have really bought into the Ellenberger hype, and his run is impressive. But can he win a five round fight and what happens after he loses, will he stick around at the top the division or fall into Dan Hardy land. He's sort of avoided all of the top wrestlers in the division and that also gives me pause.
He has a wrestling background, he is a very strong WW and has shown good TD defense. I think he would wreck Kos and Fitch. A fight with him and Hendricks would be interesting. Everyone knows what happened to Sheilds when he tried to take Ellenberger down.

His only UFC loss is a split decision to Condit in which some say he won and you are not sold on him yet? You're tough to please.
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Condit would beat him again.

It seems to me that having amazing cardio is a natural gift. The fighter needs to have a natural pain tolerance to push themselves beyond the limit in training, have amazing will to eat healthy throughout the year, etc etc. Most fighters with suspect cardio tend to always have suspect cardio.

I think that Condit will always have better Cardio than Ellenberger. Condit seems to get better the longer a fight goes, while Ellenberger is the complete opposite.
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Nah, he won't wreck Fitch. Fitch very rarely loses, and his last loss was a fluke.
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I hate the attitude of many modern fighters. Condit is in no rush to fight, and Ellenberger says if he was in Condit's position, he'd probably wait too.

JUST FIGHT, you're not 26 forever and you won't surpass GSP unless you defend a lot, even if you beat the man himself, so get on with it.
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He has a wrestling background, he is a very strong WW and has shown good TD defense. I think he would wreck Kos and Fitch. A fight with him and Hendricks would be interesting. Everyone knows what happened to Sheilds when he tried to take Ellenberger down.

His only UFC loss is a split decision to Condit in which some say he won and you are not sold on him yet? You're tough to please.
He also lost to Rick Story before he entered the UFC, and almost lost to Rocha and Sanchez. When you look at his wins, Sanchez, Pierson, Howard are brawlers, Pyle Rocha and Sheilds are grapplers I would have liked to have seen him against a Mike Pierce, John Hathaway or Charlie Brenneman to know if he was a well rounded fighter.

Now I'd like to see him against a Rory Macdonald, Josh Koscheck or Johnny Hendricks to know that he is the overwhelming number one contender. Right now I think he's in the top five I just don't believe he's an established top five guy.

Just to make it clear has he earned a title shot, yes.

Has he earned the right to claim himself the undisputed number one contender, no.
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He also lost to Rick Story before he entered the UFC, and almost lost to Rocha and Sanchez. When you look at his wins, Sanchez, Pierson, Howard are brawlers, Pyle Rocha and Sheilds are grapplers I would have liked to have seen him against a Mike Pierce, John Hathaway or Charlie Brenneman to know if he was a well rounded fighter.

Now I'd like to see him against a Rory Macdonald, Josh Koscheck or Johnny Hendricks to know that he is the overwhelming number one contender. Right now I think he's in the top five I just don't believe he's an established top five guy.

Just to make it clear has he earned a title shot, yes.

Has he earned the right to claim himself the undisputed number one contender, no.
Sure Sanchez had him in trouble near the end of the third round, but we all know who the better fighter is after that fight.

I think he would beat Story today.

I dont think he is the overwhelming #1 contender. I think one more fight would go a long way for him.

And by the way, his resume is more impressive tham Rory McDonalds whos biggest win is Nate Diaz and was stopped by Condit.

Are you sold on McDonald?
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Nah, he won't wreck Fitch. Fitch very rarely loses, and his last loss was a fluke.
lmao, What?

Did Hendricks accidentally punch him in the face or something?
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lmao, What?

Did Hendricks accidentally punch him in the face or something?
You know exactly what he meant...Do you really think if they fought ten times Hendricks would win even half of them?

Having said that, if I was Carlos I wouldn't want to fight Ellenberger again either. Jake came in on short notice in his first ever UFC fight and almost stopped him several times in the first round. I will say that if Carlos was able to survive to the third, he might be able to earn a decision or sub, but that's only if Ellenberger doesn't work on his cardio. Which if you ask me, after what happened with Diego Sanchez, he's going to really start taking serious.
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Hendricks would beat Fitch again.

He's got the wrestling and the power to do what Mike Pierce did in the third round against Fitch except for the entire fight.

Ellenberger beats Condit if he improves his cardio but if not then he loses in a 5 round fight.
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