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post #21 of 31 (permalink) Old 02-22-2012, 06:13 PM
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Sure Sanchez had him in trouble near the end of the third round, but we all know who the better fighter is after that fight.

I think he would beat Story today.

I dont think he is the overwhelming #1 contender. I think one more fight would go a long way for him.

And by the way, his resume is more impressive tham Rory McDonalds whos biggest win is Nate Diaz and was stopped by Condit.

Are you sold on McDonald?
So I rewatched both the Rocha and Condit fights to see if I see something from Ellenberger that I missed. And I have to say I didn't see anything that changes my opinion on him. If anything I am less impressed with him because in both fights I thought he got away with point deducting shots, in the Rocha fight it looked like he landed a dozen shots to the back of the head including a nasty flurry that I'm shocked Kim Winslow didn't take a point away from him. In the Condit fight it looks like he got a knee to Condit's head in that first round. Also both of those fights Condit and Rocha had the officials intervening by checking if Rocha was holding his trunks and if Condit was hitting Jake in the back of the head. I think those delays in action really helped Ellenberger.

Ellenberger has strong hands and good a double leg shot, I don't know how effective that would be against a top level wrestler. He's got other some serious issues, Sanchez, Condit, and Rocha were all able to sweep him, he's very fast in the first round but he slows down rather quickly in subsequent rounds. His sub defense seems to be turttling up, and he seems to lack a decent guillotine or rear naked choke.

You bring Rory Macdonald and his resume, if I'm being critical of both fighters skill sets. Macdonald is the better fighter, he's bigger, stronger, I think he's only had one bad round in his career to Condit, and if the ref doesn't stop the fight Rory wins. Rory can also beat you in a number of different ways, I think he has better BJJ and the wrestling would be interesting.

Jake is more accomplished and he's the higher ranked fighter but Rory is the more complete fighter and I believe Macdonald would defeat Ellenberger if they fought. I would also take Nick Diaz over Ellenberger and Josh Koscheck. Martin Kampmann, Erick Silva, Jon Fitch, and Johnny Hendricks are all fights Ellenberger could win, but he could also lose those as well.

I'm going to predict that Ellenberger loses one of his next two fights.
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Condit outclasses Ellenberger on the feet and on the ground, along with all of the other wrestle-boxers the WW division is infested with.
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I think Carlos would take this rematch via finish in the fourth or fifth round. Ellenberger clearly does not have a gas tank for championship rounds and needs to sort that out before I consider him a threat to the title.
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You know exactly what he meant...Do you really think if they fought ten times Hendricks would win even half of them?

Having said that, if I was Carlos I wouldn't want to fight Ellenberger again either. Jake came in on short notice in his first ever UFC fight and almost stopped him several times in the first round. I will say that if Carlos was able to survive to the third, he might be able to earn a decision or sub, but that's only if Ellenberger doesn't work on his cardio. Which if you ask me, after what happened with Diego Sanchez, he's going to really start taking serious.
No, I don't know what he meant.

What I know is they fought, Hendricks punched him in the face on purpose and Fitch went down, that doesn't sound fluke-ish to me.

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Don't think he can, the guy's built like an Ox, he's got a ton of muscle and he swings hard.

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I'd take Condit all day in a 5 round fight. Ellenberger is never going to have the cardio he needs to go 5 rounds or even a hard 3 unless he gets rid of some of that muscle.
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Fact is he beat em already. Call him out after the championship fight.

That's why I have immense amount of respect for JDS. Without a doubt he had the most treacherous road up to the pinnacle. There's no other current champ who had to go through the road he took. Lyoto and maybe GSP at a close second and third.

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Awarded contender status, opts out and demands to fight. He would have gotten Brock, but instead gets an equally dangerous opponent in Shane Carwin.

Dethrones Cain who is without a doubt the #2 HW.

That's some serious competition to go through to obtain the title. Crazy thing was he blitzed through all of em except for Nelson.

btw: Condit went through a whirlwind so he deserves some time off although fighting someone like Koscheck wouldn't be a bad idea. Condit and management will probably play it safe and wait.
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Fact is he beat em already. Call him out after the championship fight.

That's why I have immense amount of respect for JDS. Without a doubt he had the most treacherous road up to the pinnacle. There's no other current champ who had to go through the road he took. Lyoto and maybe GSP at a close second and third.

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Dethrones Cain who is without a doubt the #2 HW.

That's some serious competition to go through to obtain the title. Crazy thing was he blitzed through all of em except for Nelson.

btw: Condit went through a whirlwind so he deserves some time off although fighting someone like Koscheck wouldn't be a bad idea. Condit and management will probably play it safe and wait.
Are you saying Cain is number 2 now or was number 2 when he was Champ?

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Are you saying Cain is number 2 now or was number 2 when he was Champ?
#1 when he faced JDS and now #2 after the loss. It's interesting because I've never seen a fighter so hungry to fight. Can't wait for his bout with The Reem.

As for Condit he should take a fight cuz GSP won't be ready til November which is a lifetime in the fight business. He can't expect to take on GSP (even though it's been awhile since his last fight) with his last performance...if he got in another fight with a strong win it would emphasize his status further + add income + momentum. Then again he can wait like Rashad did. Juss sayin...
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So I rewatched both the Rocha and Condit fights to see if I see something from Ellenberger that I missed. And I have to say I didn't see anything that changes my opinion on him. If anything I am less impressed with him because in both fights I thought he got away with point deducting shots, in the Rocha fight it looked like he landed a dozen shots to the back of the head including a nasty flurry that I'm shocked Kim Winslow didn't take a point away from him. In the Condit fight it looks like he got a knee to Condit's head in that first round. Also both of those fights Condit and Rocha had the officials intervening by checking if Rocha was holding his trunks and if Condit was hitting Jake in the back of the head. I think those delays in action really helped Ellenberger.

Ellenberger has strong hands and good a double leg shot, I don't know how effective that would be against a top level wrestler. He's got other some serious issues, Sanchez, Condit, and Rocha were all able to sweep him, he's very fast in the first round but he slows down rather quickly in subsequent rounds. His sub defense seems to be turttling up, and he seems to lack a decent guillotine or rear naked choke.

You bring Rory Macdonald and his resume, if I'm being critical of both fighters skill sets. Macdonald is the better fighter, he's bigger, stronger, I think he's only had one bad round in his career to Condit, and if the ref doesn't stop the fight Rory wins. Rory can also beat you in a number of different ways, I think he has better BJJ and the wrestling would be interesting.

Jake is more accomplished and he's the higher ranked fighter but Rory is the more complete fighter and I believe Macdonald would defeat Ellenberger if they fought. I would also take Nick Diaz over Ellenberger and Josh Koscheck. Martin Kampmann, Erick Silva, Jon Fitch, and Johnny Hendricks are all fights Ellenberger could win, but he could also lose those as well.

I'm going to predict that Ellenberger loses one of his next two fights.
Gee, I wonder how many fights we could re-watch over and over to see whos performance we can downgrade because of the ref. Is that really your argument? That the ref helped Ellenberger out? Bottom line is Ellenberger was schooling Condit until he got tired.

As far as Rory goes, his biggest win at WW is against Nate Diaz who we all know did not belong at WW. I agree that McDonald would have beat Condit had he not gassed, but he did just like Ellenberger did.

I just dont see how you can say you are sold on Rory and not Ellenberger when Ellenberger has better wins and his UFC loss is to the same fighter as Rory. Maybe Rory has a better skillset, but that does not automatically translate to wins and right now Ellenberger is winning against tougher competition. Not to mentiuon Ellenberger did something GSP and a lot of many fighter have not been able to do which was stop Jake Sheilds.

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Condit outclasses Ellenberger on the feet and on the ground, along with all of the other wrestle-boxers the WW division is infested with.


Jake was gassed after the first, he took the fight on short notice and he's improved quite a bit since. And this isn't the only time Condit was dropped in the first.

And if Condit wants to sit, Ellenberge should fight Hendricks if he gets past Kos or Rory.

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