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Old 02-27-2012, 01:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Are Upkicks illegal?

Henderson landed an upkick on Edgar. I thought upkicks are illegal in UFC, are they? Or is it that they re only illegal under the Nevada Sports Commission, which means they are legal in Japan?
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Henderson landed an upkick on Edgar. I thought upkicks are illegal in UFC, are they? Or is it that they re only illegal under the Nevada Sports Commission, which means they are legal in Japan?
They are only illegal if they are to the head of a person who is grounded. Frankie was standing when Bendo upkicked him, so it was fine.
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Old 02-27-2012, 02:29 AM   #4 (permalink)
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They are only illegal if they are to the head of a person who is grounded. Frankie was standing when Bendo upkicked him, so it was fine.
What he said, if the person is standing, its legal. If the person has both knees on the ground, its illegal. Stupid rule/technicalities I know... they should just remove the grounded part totally, just like how you can't knee someone in the head if he has 1 hand down, but you can do everything else to him if the guy tries to abuse it.
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you don't need to have both knees to the ground

one knee or one hand is enough, this is also why Jones did that weird "walk" at the beginning of his fight against Page.

as long as there's more than 2 points connecting you to the ground, you're "grounded opponent"

(knee, foot, foot / foot foot hand / don't know about hand hand foot tho)
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:10 AM   #6 (permalink)
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you don't need to have both knees to the ground

one knee or one hand is enough, this is also why Jones did that weird "walk" at the beginning of his fight against Page.

as long as there's more than 2 points connecting you to the ground, you're "grounded opponent"

(knee, foot, foot / foot foot hand / don't know about hand hand foot tho)
In practice that's essentially what it is, but it's not exactly what's in the unified rules. It's anything except the soles of the feet.

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16. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.

A grounded opponent is any fighter who has more than just the soles of their feet on the ground. (i.e. could have one shin or one finger down to be considered a downed fighter) If the referee determines that a fighter would be a grounded fighter but is not solely because the ring ropes or cage fence has held fighter from the ground, the referee can instruct the combatants that he is treating the fighter held up solely by the cage or ropes as a grounded fighter

17. Kneeing the Head of a grounded opponent

A grounded opponent is any fighter who has more than just the soles of their feet on the ground. If the referee determines that a fighter would be a grounded fighter but is not solely because the ring ropes or cage fence has held fighter from the ground, the referee can instruct the combatants that he is treating the fighter held up solely by the cage or ropes as a grounded fighter.
Unified rules.
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I think it should be changed to two knees, since the commission will never allow kicks and knees to a grounded fighter. I honestly despise putting your hand on the mat to avoid knees, this should not be a valid tactic.
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Old 02-27-2012, 09:47 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I think it should be changed to two knees, since the commission will never allow kicks and knees to a grounded fighter. I honestly despise putting your hand on the mat to avoid knees, this should not be a valid tactic.
I think it was Big John who once warned a fighter that he wasn't going to count it. I can't remember the fight but the guy was going for a TD and ended up in a bad spot prime for some knees. He put his hand down and Big John told him that he wasn't a grounded fighter to keep fighting.
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I think it was Big John who once warned a fighter that he wasn't going to count it. I can't remember the fight but the guy was going for a TD and ended up in a bad spot prime for some knees. He put his hand down and Big John told him that he wasn't a grounded fighter to keep fighting.
Don't know about Big John doing it but when Cheick Kongo fought Paul Buentello Herb Dean told Paul Buentello that he was letting some knees slide because Paul was "trying to play the game". As I recall Herb had warned Cheick earlier but after that it looked like Paul was trying to time putting his hand down right when Kongo would throw a knee so that he could get out of the bad spot and get a point taken away from Kongo.
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:17 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Don't know about Big John doing it but when Cheick Kongo fought Paul Buentello Herb Dean told Paul Buentello that he was letting some knees slide because Paul was "trying to play the game". As I recall Herb had warned Cheick earlier but after that it looked like Paul was trying to time putting his hand down right when Kongo would throw a knee so that he could get out of the bad spot and get a point taken away from Kongo.
You are correct, that is exactly the fight I was thinking about! +rep my good man!
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