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View Poll Results: Who takes the main event?

Thiago 'Pitbull' Alves 19 59.38%
Martin 'Hitman' Kampmann 13 40.63%
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Old 03-03-2012, 09:16 PM   #111 (permalink)
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That's the heart of the second best WW on the planet* right there. WAR KAMPMANN!!!

*I say that about both Kampmann and Condit but I mean it. I know it's confusing.
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:01 PM   #112 (permalink)
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He pretty soundly got pounded on by Paul Daley at WW. And i don't really think the Shields loss was contraversial - looking back at the sherdog, mmajunkie and mmaweekly scorecards 4 of the judges scored it for Shields whilst nobody scored it for Kampmann.

Also, who has he beaten at WW? A contraversial decision over Condit, a last minute win over Alves after getting beat for 14 minutes. I still think he'll always be a top 10 welterweight without ever becoming a top 3 welterweight. He's good at everything, but not great at anything. Just feel the guys at the top of the divisions have a great aspect to them.
The Daley stoppage was pretty awful. A standing TKO where the guy has his legs under him that is badly jumping the gun. That is a bad matchup for Kampmann standing though like Alves was. He would likely sub Daley 7/10.

I listened to the sherdog guys after that fight and they were all talking themselves into picking Shields. Kampmann won that fight you have to create a world of excuses to give shields the second and third rounds in which he was dropped lost overall strikes, submission attempts, and damage.

You guys saying Alves dominated the fight are pretty delusional did you forget the first round where Alves got his ass beat and resorted to LNP. It isn't like the rest of the fight was one sided either Alves was winning but still eating a good amount of damage. That was an unfavorable matchup for Kampmann and he still managed to win.
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Old 03-04-2012, 02:35 PM   #113 (permalink)
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I think I was the only one who actually bet that the ending to this fight would be a submission..
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:39 AM   #114 (permalink)
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It did seem looser than some of the other chokes we've seen. I thought that myself, but then, I've not been put in many chokeholds in my life, lol.
Now i train MMA. I am mainly a standup guy because i came from Thaibox. But i've been put in some really nasty chokeholds and i know i wouldn't have tapped, at least not that fast anyways. I'd rather go to sleep than tapout.
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Now i train MMA. I am mainly a standup guy because i came from Thaibox. But i've been put in some really nasty chokeholds and i know i wouldn't have tapped, at least not that fast anyways. I'd rather go to sleep than tapout.
You ever been caught in a wind choke when you are gassed and blowing hard? Late in the third when you are pushing to finish strong you need your air and when it is cut off you panic instantly. Don't be so quick to judge, my friend. Look at how Kampmann cut the wrist in across the windpipe - I'm not surprised he tapped at all.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:56 AM   #116 (permalink)
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You ever been caught in a wind choke when you are gassed and blowing hard? Late in the third when you are pushing to finish strong you need your air and when it is cut off you panic instantly. Don't be so quick to judge, my friend. Look at how Kampmann cut the wrist in across the windpipe - I'm not surprised he tapped at all.
Yes , once had some sort of likely situation, at the end of the 3th round he caught me in a rear naked choke not mounted and i lost the fight, but c'mon, try something, what i was thinking was, i trained my ass off, it payed off the whole fight, not giving up without even trying something, this choke is my fight. Still he choked me out, but didn't make it easy on him to hold on and keep the good grip.
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Yes , once had some sort of likely situation, at the end of the 3th round he caught me in a rear naked choke not mounted and i lost the fight, but c'mon, try something, what i was thinking was, i trained my ass off, it payed off the whole fight, not giving up without even trying something, this choke is my fight. Still he choked me out, but didn't make it easy on him to hold on and keep the good grip.
Your writing makes me think you should probably tap out more often..
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I think there are guys who panic and freeze more when choke than others, like i said earlier Melvin Guillard is a more extreme example. Maybe Alves was just overall massively shocked about the last 10 seconds - going from winning to it sinking in how badly you just blew it tend to rock you a little.
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:45 AM   #119 (permalink)
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Your writing makes me think you should probably tap out more often..
Not really, i hate tapping out chokeholds.
Ofc if it is a arm that will break or something else i will tap out. I'm not a fulltime fighter, i also work, so i don't mind going out but not wanting something to break that can leave me without work for a while.
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I think there are guys who panic and freeze more when choke than others, like i said earlier Melvin Guillard is a more extreme example. Maybe Alves was just overall massively shocked about the last 10 seconds - going from winning to it sinking in how badly you just blew it tend to rock you a little.
Yeah ofc. But if in training you have been in a lot of holds you learn not to panic and freeze and learn how to be more comfortable when in a hold. So think those guys need to focus a little bit more on holds in training.
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