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Old 03-03-2012, 04:39 AM   #51 (permalink)
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As long as they make weight, who really cares? If a fighter wants to torture their body within the rules that's entirely up to them.

Weight cutting was the single worst thing about wrestling for me when I was growing up. It's a slow torture that you feel every second of every day. Then when you do get to eat and drink a little it's not satisfying because you just want more. If you eat / drink too much after a weight in your body feels like it's just going to shut down.

The difference between wrestling and MMA is that in wrestling we would compete every week. Sometimes multiple times in a week.

**** that. I cut 5 pounds max for jitz now. Anything else just isn't worth it. I would rather run a marathon than make some of the cuts that I used to every week.
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Old 03-03-2012, 04:49 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Just curious PGI, how much weight were you cutting and how much were you gaining back and in how little time? I've never had to do anything like that thankfully I only played Football and Rugby, it sounds like a complete hell. Do all HS/Collegiate wrestlers cut weight? I do wonder just how much of an advantage it really is in a long gruelling match. I'm very uninformed on the subject as you can tell.
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:14 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Just curious PGI, how much weight were you cutting and how much were you gaining back and in how little time? I've never had to do anything like that thankfully I only played Football and Rugby, it sounds like a complete hell. Do all HS/Collegiate wrestlers cut weight? I do wonder just how much of an advantage it really is in a long gruelling match. I'm very uninformed on the subject as you can tell.
My senior year my natural weight was 155 and I wrestled in the 140 weight class. I was pretty good about keeping my weight below 150 so the cut wouldn't be too difficult.

The bad thing was that none of us knew how to cut weight properly. I mean we were 17 year old kids. We still ate almost whatever we wanted even right before a match. Instead of eating healthy and cutting out saturated fat, we would eat cheese fries and other fatty shit and just deplete our body of water later. It was terrible and it made cutting hurt that much worse. No one told us any different at the time because the coaching staff was really hush hush about cutting weight. The school and even CIF looked down upon it. Everyone did it, but officially no one really talked about it. You would hear guys with trash bags on underneath their sweaters during practice and the coaches would literally just pretend like it was nothing.

Some guys on the team just so happened to naturally fit into the weight class they were needed at. But that was rare. Everything depended on where you fit with the team. Sometimes I would cut to 140, and the coach would move guys around last minute to match up against other guys. So I would bust my ass to make 140 and he would bump me up to the 152 weight class. So cutting the weight and torturing myself was all for nothing. Meanwhile now I'm going against this other guy who's probably weighing over 160 now. But it's all part of the sport I guess.

I would say about 90% of high school kids cut at least 3-5 pounds weekly. I could imagine that in college it's about 95% of people cut weight and they are probably cutting much higher amounts. I remember my friends used to tell me at school on our game days that I looked like shit and that I should drink some water. I just remember thinking "**** YOU!!!".


That was my experience with it at least. Other people in other areas might have had a different one.
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:29 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I wasn't the smartest weight cutter when i was wrestling.

I don't mind Alves being so big. If he can make the cut, why not. And he'd be midgeted at 185.
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High schools have been slower to change than the NCAA. The NCAA completely revamped weight cutting in the late 90's after three wrestlers died of dehydration in one year.

But some states, like Iowa, have more stringent rules. I think they call their test a body composition assessment. Boys can only wrestle at the weight they would have if they were properly hydrated at 7% body fat.


I agree with you that it'd be better if fighters didn't cut large amounts of weight. But that's obviously not the case. And until it is, I think the current system is better than same day weigh ins. Many fighters will still cut massive weight for a same day weigh in, then they'll fight with a severe increased likelihood of brain damage.

A better system than either of them would be regulation to determine what their hydrated weight would be at a certain low body fat percentage and limiting them to only fighting in that weight class or above.
Last year, VA also became more stringent with their weight cutting policies.

However, I don't see why the UFC should follow in the footsteps of the NCAA or HS leagues. Those guys are student athletes with developing bodies that have a lot to lose, less to gain, and insufficient supervision.

The UFC is an organization of professionals. They are responsible for their own bodies and it's their lives on the line. Alves might have weighed close to 200 pounds come fight night, but he was still on weight when it counted and he looked fantastic. He should be able to continue his "extreme" weight cutting practices so long as he continues to be a professional about it.
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I'm not a huge fan of massive cuts, all to often somebody gasses and the fight is far from entertaining. In addition, the fighter is spending that much more time on conditioning and weight cutting, and less time on striking/grappling.
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How about 3 mandatory weigh ins instead of just 1.

1) Weigh in 7 days prior to a fight
2) Weigh in 3 days prior to a fight
3) Weigh in a day prior to a fight

Wouldn't that eliminate the insane weight cuts while making sure fighters are hydrated on a fight day.
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How about 3 mandatory weigh ins instead of just 1.

1) Weigh in 7 days prior to a fight
2) Weigh in 3 days prior to a fight
3) Weigh in a day prior to a fight

Wouldn't that eliminate the insane weight cuts while making sure fighters are hydrated on a fight day.
With all due respect, that is a ridiculous suggestion. Officials and fightes flying all over the place to weigh-in , sometimes as many as 20 or more fighters for one night.

The only person suffering for such extreme weight cuts are the fighers themselves. Alves is young now and can take the punishment but I'm telling you that his heart is taking a beating. He'll pay for it down the road.
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With all due respect, that is a ridiculous suggestion. Officials and fightes flying all over the place to weigh-in , sometimes as many as 20 or more fighters for one night.

The only person suffering for such extreme weight cuts are the fighers themselves. Alves is young now and can take the punishment but I'm telling you that his heart is taking a beating. He'll pay for it down the road.
That's just it though. The commission needs to address this problem. Short shortsightedness is people saying "Fighters know their bodies and if they want to put themselves through the pain, then so be it."

A third party governing body, like the commission, with nothing to gain, except for the protection of fighters health, needs to swoop in and address this problem.

Protecting the long term health of fighters is also the responsibility of the commission.

There ought to be something in place for protecting fighters from fighting more than they should in terms of receiving concussions as well. What is happening to Gary Goodridge is absolutely saddening and alarming at the same time.
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That's just it though. The commission needs to address this problem. Short shortsightedness is people saying "Fighters know their bodies and if they want to put themselves through the pain, then so be it."

A third party governing body, like the commission, with nothing to gain, except for the protection of fighters health, needs to swoop in and address this problem.

Protecting the long term health of fighters is also the responsibility of the commission.

There ought to be something in place for protecting fighters from fighting more than they should in terms of receiving concussions as well. What is happening to Gary Goodridge is absolutely saddening and alarming at the same time.
Agree with you. Concussions and fighter's health will be the next major issue to face the UFC and MMA in general. Someone is going to need to address it.
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