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View Poll Results: How did you score it?

30-27 Johnson 0 0%
29-28 Johnson 21 23.60%
28-28 Draw 11 12.36%
29-28 McCall 56 62.92%
30-27 McCall 1 1.12%
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:37 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Had it 29-28 McCall and was shocked it did not go to a fourth round with how close the fight was in the first two rounds.
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:43 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Looks like everyone is agreed that DJ won the 2nd and McCall won the 3rd, its the first that is the dodgy round. Look forward to seeing the proper fightmetric report, but their original numbers show Johnson outlanded McCall in significant strikes round 1 by 20-12, but of course McCall had 2 takedowns, which DJ bounced back up from.
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I also gave McCall the first and the third, i dont like the fact the flyweight title will be contested by 2 failed bantamweights - McCall being beaten legitimately would of gave the division a good start, McCall winning the whole thing would of gave it a great start.
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:14 PM   #14 (permalink)
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This is one of the biggest problems with judging in MMA right now- how TDs are scored. I don't completely disagree with that at times they are given too much emphasis especially when the TD leads to no dominate position, full control for a extended period, ground strikes landed or sub attempts. But in the past judges have close rounds to fighters that scored TDs regardless of how effective those TDs were. Round 1 was a close round but with 2 TDs I'd give it to McCall.

Problem is is that right now judging is wildly inconsistent. You have no freaking idea how one judge scores TDs compared to the judge sitting right to them and awarding a round.
This.

I completely agree that TD's are scored differently from one judge to the next.

Personally if a fighter is taken down and literally the other fighter is able to get upright away without being damaged, then the takedown was ineffective and shouldn't score points.

The whole point of getting a takedown is to get you opponent to the mat so you can try to get a fight ending submission or ground and pound them with strikes into submission or TKO. If you fail to either ground and pound the fighter or go for submissions to end the fight then what have you accomplished?

This isn't a wrestling match, it's a mixed martial arts bout. Sure you show aggressiveness in taking someone down, but if you are ineffective in using that takedown to seriously put your opponent in a position to lose the fight or damage him, then quite frankly you've done nothing in my books especially if the fighter that has been taken down pops right back up (see Edgar take down Henderson).

Should a guy score points for putting an opponent up against the cage an holding him there in a stalemate for a few seconds before that fighter escapes?

The fighter holding him there and pressing him against the cage is dictating where the fight is going, but he isn't doing any damage or trying to put the other fighter in a position where he is in danger of losing. It is octagon control, but if it is only there for a few seconds how much value does one put into that when judging the outcome of a fight or a round?
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:29 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I'm not a wrestling hater. I'm a lay and pray hater. But getting a couple of TDs that benefit you none in the actual fight, shouldn't count much. And I am surprised with so many people scoring them here. Usually everyone bitches about wrestlers getting the decisions over a few TDs. Yet this fight they applaud it?

If he would have controlled him for more than a brief couple seconds on either takedown, I MIGHT have seen a way you could give it to him.

DJ outstruck him, he landed significant things. McCall was even rocked a bit by a punch. I see no way on earth that should be scored less than 2 TDs where DJ basically defends them by popping right back up.

If a guy pops right back up then your takedown wasn't effective, therefor no points should be awarded. At least that is how I see it.

McCall looks like an idiot. He's yelling to the crowd. Doing really homophobic donkey punches. Spazing out like a little 125lb boy beating a kid up at the playground. Then does a bad flip where he lands on his head almost. The guy is a fool, and looks even more like a fool when all that showing off was for a draw.
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:40 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'm glad they are fighting again because Uncle Creepy beat Johnsons Butt.

He controlled the entire fight in the first RD....And please Can I get some Punch stats for that third # along with sub attempts, takedowns etc...because It looked like a a compleete beat down to me...I had it a 10-8...It was so completely 1 sided...

MCCall is clearly the better fighter....
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:49 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Firstly, what a fight!! Just interested to soo how people scored it, as everyone seems to have different opinions.

Personally i scored it for Johnson the first 2, and a 10-9 for McCall in the 3rd, though i wanna rewatch it. Don't understand how the 3rd could be a 10-8, McCall clearly won the round but it wasn't 10-8 dominant!
I had it a draw, 10-9, 10-9, 8-10. I think all decisive 1-sided rounds should be 10-8 and dominant rounds should be 10-7. And the first two rounds were razor close.
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Old 03-03-2012, 01:27 PM   #18 (permalink)
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i had it...

10-10 draw for the 1st
10-9 mighty mouse in the 2nd
10-9 creep in the 3rd

I could see 10-8 in the 3rd but wouldnt give it personally. and with the 4th round option i thought the judges would feel more comfortable giving a 10-10 round but i guess not.
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Old 03-03-2012, 01:36 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I had it 29-28 for ole Mr. Creepy. But I could see the first being given to Mighty Mouse instead. When you let fights go to the judges, you will get their subjective opinions on how they see the fight. And some times each judge sees it differently.
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Old 03-03-2012, 03:22 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Rd 1: 10-9 Johnson
Rd 2: 10-9 Johnson
Rd 3: 10-9 McCall

If McCall had actually seriously hurt DJ or perhaps dominated for longer than he did (it was a pretty competitive round until McCall got his back), I would have scored it 10-8. Someone else sort of said it already, but perhaps if McCall had been more serious about finishing than being quirky for the fans, this wouldn't have happened.
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