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Old 03-24-2012, 05:47 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Just read most of the thread and that's what I was thinking. Very entertaining thread but I don't see anyone giving an inch or changing their mind.
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Old 03-24-2012, 05:50 PM   #72 (permalink)
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I've watched more than a few free streams for MMA events, I've downloaded so many songs for free it's ridiculous, the fact is - piracy is extremely easy and extremely safe, and when things like this happen, it just makes it easier and safer.

My "moral high ground" is nonexistent, there is no "high ground", there's a "what do I feel bad about doing and what do I not feel bad about doing", and downloading some songs that I otherwise wouldn't have bought (never bought a CD or song in my life and would never buy one) and watching some MMA events for free I simply do not feel bad about it.

On the flip side, I'm not going to steal a car or some food from a store, or go to my friend's house and take his new ipad, or anything like that. I personally would not think this is okay, does it make this any worse than stealing songs and MMA events? Not really, but again, it's perspective.

So, there's no "high ground", there's a "does this feel okay to do?" ground, and that doesn't mean it's right or wrong either way, it just means personally I don't feel bad at all doing it.
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Old 03-24-2012, 05:56 PM   #73 (permalink)
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If it didn't cost $60 for a few hours of fights I'd be more inclined to legitimately obtain and watch PPV UFC events.

I like to eat though, so as of right now I'll spend my hard earned money on groceries for the week and watch streams, instead of paying for a PPV and starving.
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I've watched more than a few free streams for MMA events, I've downloaded so many songs for free it's ridiculous, the fact is - piracy is extremely easy and extremely safe, and when things like this happen, it just makes it easier and safer.

My "moral high ground" is nonexistent, there is no "high ground", there's a "what do I feel bad about doing and what do I not feel bad about doing", and downloading some songs that I otherwise wouldn't have bought (never bought a CD or song in my life and would never buy one) and watching some MMA events for free I simply do not feel bad about it.

On the flip side, I'm not going to steal a car or some food from a store, or go to my friend's house and take his new ipad, or anything like that. I personally would not think this is okay, does it make this any worse than stealing songs and MMA events? Not really, but again, it's perspective.

So, there's no "high ground", there's a "does this feel okay to do?" ground, and that doesn't mean it's right or wrong either way, it just means personally I don't feel bad at all doing it.
That's a little too solipsistic for me.

With respect, just because you don't feel a twinge of guilt doing something, doesn't mean what you're doing is not morally wrong.

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I didn't say it was morally right, in fact I said "that doesn't mean it's right or wrong either way". If you think it's wrong then it's wrong for you, other people even in this thread justify it and think it's right.

I just don't feel bad about it, right or wrong, not claiming either way.
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The argument piracy doesnt lose anybody any money is based on very old information. It's become like a mantra. "We wouldnt have bought it anyway".

You know what? That used to be more the case. Because before ( 10 years ago ) the piracy rate used to be around 40% - 60%. For video games, we could tell this simply by looking at the online leaderboard entries and comparing those to the actual sales.

Back then it took a bit of effort to get to the goods. You had to be part of some hack-group or had to trawl horrible crack sites ( usually getting infected with god knows what. ) Either way, it was enough to put off your casual computer users. Most of them didn't even have a clue.

But today, a quick google search will get you to exactly the torrent you are after in one second. Because of this, similar experiments using online leaderboards are showing piracy rates to be 90%+.

It's too fecking easy. Thats the problem. It's got to the point where people who *would* have bought, will still pirate it because, not only do they get it early ( in most cases ) but it's actually less effort then buying it online or from a store.

In the case of the UFC, I'm convinced at least 10% of the people streaming *are* able and willing to buy it if they couldn't stream. Thats a chunk of cash lost for the UFC.

In a nutshell, the pro-piracy movement is full of shit.
And who is to blame for the fact that I can have any movie in three clicks and ten minutes, and meanwhile I have to have multiple competing services, with ridiculous screwyou-ware attached, that half the time doesnt work, and takes longer to download, and gives me less control over the final presentation of the product, to have something even moderately approaching that convenience legally? (and of course the monetary cost hasn't even entered into it at that point!) It's so ridiculous that I might as well just buy all the services and then download the movies from piratebay or demonoid anyway because its easier. Entertainment industries have no one but themselves to blame for their inability to do something that one nerd in a basement can produce. Wake the hell up, old-money monoliths
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