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Old 03-24-2012, 12:57 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I disagree with performance enhancing drugs but I know nothing about TRT, so I have to take Rampage's word for it. His biggest accomplishments were made drug-free and he won't be in the game much longer, so I don't really care if he takes it.

If Jackson goes on a run all of a sudden like Hendo, I think TRT will be called into question in terms of legality in MMA, and rightly so. It's not like we don't already know, generally its a young man's sport.
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Old 03-24-2012, 05:44 PM   #12 (permalink)
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If the doctor says you need it then take it.
I fully agree, and so I don't fault any fighter who takes it on that ground. You do what your doctor tells you to do.

However, I don't think all doctors involved here may be on the level. As in, they are prescribing based on "this guy is an MMA fighter & needs an edge" vs. "This is a 35 year old male & these levels are normal for such."

I mean, if you are 35, not having the levels of a 25 year old isn't an "abnormal condition/illness" that needs treatment. And doctors know this. So the question is who is pressuring who into these decisions/prescriptions? Fighter? Dr.? Coach/trainer/manager/etc.?

meh, just some thoughts.
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I fully agree, and so I don't fault any fighter who takes it on that ground. You do what your doctor tells you to do.

However, I don't think all doctors involved here may be on the level. As in, they are prescribing based on "this guy is an MMA fighter & needs an edge" vs. "This is a 35 year old male & these levels are normal for such."

I mean, if you are 35, not having the levels of a 25 year old isn't an "abnormal condition/illness" that needs treatment. And doctors know this. So the question is who is pressuring who into these decisions/prescriptions? Fighter? Dr.? Coach/trainer/manager/etc.?

meh, just some thoughts.
If you don't like what your doctor says, you can always go to another doctor. Threatening (implicit or explicit) to do so can really pressure the doctor to give you what you want, since at the end of the day they are still in a business and they don't want to lose patients/customers.
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Old 03-24-2012, 09:03 PM   #14 (permalink)
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The difference is, TRT affects performance. Having a full head of hair surely won't help your take down defense, or left hook. Having a set of pearly whites might be nice for a post fight pic, but again, not gonna help you beat your opponent.
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I just lost any respect I had for Rampage.

I have absolutely no interest in ever seeing him fight again.

His statements do make me curious as to how many fighters do take TRTs.

What are the chances that Anderson Silva does?
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I really do not understand what he's saying for once. Using "Page logic" I can normally make the connection but that one comment is just stupid.

I've been wondering since the TRT announcement if that's why he really wanted to fight in Japan. We don't know if U.S athletic commissions are down with his use. It's my understanding it still had to be approved by them correct?
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I love how Rampage compares two cosmetic operations to TRT.
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His statements do make me curious as to how many fighters do take TRTs.

What are the chances that Anderson Silva does?
It's unlikely Anderson does. It's exceptionally hard to prove someone isn't doing something, but if he is taking testosterone, it hasn't been approved by a state AC.

The last state Anderson fought in was Nevada. In Nevada, they've only given out three (one more than USADA has ever given out) therapeutic use exemptions (TUEs) for testosterone. The recipients were Dan Henderson, Todd Duffee, and Shane Roller.

Here's a list of fighters who have been on TRT according to athletic commissions, published reports, or self admitted:

Chael Sonnen- Pretty famous case. Said he'd keep using it, so he may have gotten TUEs from Texas and Illinois. Both those commissions are bottom of the barrel.

Rampage- Self-admitted.

Dan Henderson- Definitely has a TUE in Nevada and has since his Pride fight with Wanderlei. Interestingly, to me anyway, he was approved years before the NSAC implemented a rule that you couldn't qualify for a TUE for TRT if Anabolic steroid induced hypogonadism was the reason you needed TRT, or if you had ever done steroids at all.

Todd Duffee- Definitely has a TUE in Nevada.

Shane Roller- Definitely has a TUE in Nevada.

Nate Marquardt- Was on TRT for at least his fight with Dan Miller, but ultimately was denied his TUE in New Jersey and not allowed to fight in Pennsylvania. Has failed a steroid test in the past.

Dennis Hallman- Was diagnosed with celiac disease in the last few years. Making him the only person on this list with a diagnosed disease that can cause hypogonadism. I think he's been on TRT for his last four fights, meaning he has TUEs from California and several other ACs. But he's also been busted for steroids before, so there's that.

Bristol Marunde- According to Dave Meltzer, Marunde had a TUE for TRT in Ohio when he fought Jacare.


There could be more. I'm sure there are in rinky dink ACs.

But Nevada has been public that they've only issued three. Back in 2010, California had issued a total of one, but is probably up to at least two now that Henderson and Hallman fought there recently. The NJAC wouldn't give names to a reporter but said they've given out less than five. I haven't seen the Ohio AC make any statements about it. Those are the closest things we have to good commissions, though even they aren't what I would objectively call good. But compared to most other state ACs though, they're great.
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:36 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Rampage lost a big fan in me over the last few months. the guy is an idiot and its a shame he has ended his career in this way. The excuses he has come out with here are just ridiulous and make him sound like a idiot. Rampage is 33 years old his TRT levels arnt supposed to be the same as these younger guy's and thats something you have to deal with when getting older in this sport, maybe his doctor told him all about this and recommended it but he was under no threat to do so and all this backlash is his own doing.
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