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post #11 of 25 (permalink) Old 03-27-2012, 10:38 PM
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And my prediction is...

Rashad closes the distance early, goes for a takedown, jones defends but they end up on the fence. Eventually evans ends up on the fence, Jones gets the take down, lands a big elbow and its a round 1 tko for jones
Whoa hold on fella!
My money is on Jones but Evans is one the best proven LHW fighters in the world. Evans isnt a scrub and Jones is not invincible, Evans will have his moments but realistically Jones will have much more. It wont be a straight demolition for Jones.

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post #12 of 25 (permalink) Old 03-28-2012, 12:54 AM
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Whoa hold on fella!
My money is on Jones but Evans is one the best proven LHW fighters in the world. Evans isnt a scrub and Jones is not invincible, Evans will have his moments but realistically Jones will have much more. It wont be a straight demolition for Jones.
Idk, after the machida fight, rashad hasnt looked so AWESOME to me. Got knocked out by machida. Almost knocked out in the third by silva. Almost knocked out in the third by rampage. Then he soundly beats tito and LNP's a decision against davis. I don't think hes as great as his record and people make him out to be.
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Idk, after the machida fight, rashad hasnt looked so AWESOME to me. Got knocked out by machida. Almost knocked out in the third by silva. Almost knocked out in the third by rampage. Then he soundly beats tito and LNP's a decision against davis. I don't think hes as great as his record and people make him out to be.
The quality of opponent Rashad has been facing has played a big part. None of the guys you've mentioned are easy opponents. "Almost" got knocked out? What does that mean exactly? You either got knocked out and lost, or you didn't. This is fighting. "Almost" happens a LOT. Winning, not so much. Rashad may have "almost" got knocked out... but hes WON a shit load of fights. Thats a fact.
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Man I want Evans to win this fights, however if Jon Jones completely destroys Evans like the risk i don't know what is left for the kid than Anderson Silva or a HW. Henderson or any other light HW fighter would be a waste of time.
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Idk, after the machida fight, rashad hasnt looked so AWESOME to me. Got knocked out by machida. Almost knocked out in the third by silva. Almost knocked out in the third by rampage. Then he soundly beats tito and LNP's a decision against davis. I don't think hes as great as his record and people make him out to be.

You just named 3 of the biggest hitters in the devision and only 1 was able to knock him out. If your forgetting Rashad nearly knocked Rampage out aswell in the opening round and he dominated Silva, silva was thrown around like a rag doll.

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the only reason I could think of, for rashad giving up his gameplan (taking jones down) is that he'll do the exact opposite while making jones think about the TD and spend/waste time preparing to fight from bottom while Evans is working 200% on his standup.

otherwise what's the point giving up the gameplan.

making Jones worry about the TD will counteract some of his reach advantage, maybe allowing Evans to close the distance standing up.

Evans got decent stand up skills and good speed, maybe he can make something happen.

his experience makes it so he's using the media, while Jones seems more like enjoying them and getting a little sucked in by his own hype.

I don't think Evans lets this fight go to his head, he's acting it to led Jones believe that he is and get him overconfident.

Jones is one of the best, but he has to taste defeat before he can achieve true greatness. A defeat against evans will make or break him. And Evans is the second to last barrier (the last being hendo, I'm never counting him out, the guy's an animal) before Jones begins to think he is god and starts a cult of himself.
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I'll be pulling for Rashad but I think Jones wins this definitively. I actually agree with xxpillow's prediction, or something close to it.
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I understand what some of you guys are saying, but to me the only thing I get out of Rashads interviews is "I don't want to lose to Jones". We all know that never leads to good things, but that is just my interpretation and I'll admit my bias.

I originally though Rashad had a legit chance in this fight, but now I don't. I originally thought the odds makers were nuts, but now I don't. Rashad has a chance to win, every fighter does in any fight, but other than Jones making a HUGE mistake I don't see it happening. I give all areas of the fight to Jones, there isn't a single factor that I can give to Rashad other than 'wins more decisions'.

Rashad isn't a bad fighter, in fact he is clearly in the top 5 based on his competition. But Jones is elite, has looked elite, and has left no questions left to be answered.
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Jon Jones is too young, too strong, too fast, too long and too talented.

Jones wins at whatever point in the fight he (Jones) decides it's time to win. Probably by levitating spinning choke.
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Im not into breaking down what people say and finding hidden meanings but this jumped out at me in a big way and I had to share my take on what Rashad said.

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In one month, on April 21 in Atlanta, Iím getting my title back but, to me, beating Jon Jones up and proving I am the better man and better fighter is even more important than waking up the next day as a two-time UFC champion.
I don't think Rashad believes this yet and he is going in to see if what he hopes is true actually is.



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For someone who says he doesnít talk a lot, Jon talks a hell of a lot. If thereís any validity to what heís saying, if thereís any truth to him being the ďMuhammad Ali of MMA,Ē then heís got to deal with me. Itís not a fight he is taking lightly, Iím sure. Jon always trains hard, and I know he will be training extra hard for this fight against me.
I believe that Rashad needs to believe that Jon thinks he is the toughest fight of his career. Rashad needs Jon to be taking this fight as personal as he is.


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I heard a stat about Jon that heís never been taken down in the UFC. But Iíve taken him down plenty(past tense), and I know he canít fight off his back.Rashad has convinced himself this is still the case I think my takedowns will be a key to this fight. I know Jon can take me down, too Ė heís done it Ė but Iíve taken down every single fighter Iíve ever wanted to get down, and I took Jon down time and time again in the gym. I think style-wise I am all wrong for him.
This is full of insecurities and really doesnt seem like a confident fighter talking.


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At UFC 145, I think it will come down to who really wants it. We are both going to get beat on in this fight, we are both going to get banged up and hurt, but I want this more.
He is sure its going to be a war meaning he knows Jon can hurt him, Jon has never thought Rashad can do anything to him....More Tells.

Maybe I am reading to much into this but Jon seems confident and doesnt think it will be a war. Rashad, however, seems that he is in for the toughest fight of his life, yet when he talks to the media he says that he can hold Jon down and beat on him for 25 straight. Just my opinion.

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