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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 03-28-2012, 07:51 AM Thread Starter
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Do NOT change MMA Judging, it's perfect!

Well, here we are.

when you think about it. of course the judging is awful.
But because of that awful judging and the fact that you never really know who wins the fight unless there's a finish. Fighters will, more often than not, be reluctant to let it go to the judges and hunt for the finish.

Imagine if the judging were perfect (it couldn't be, but just imagine for an instant that it were), how many more fighters would we see, just riding their way into a points based decision? How many more fighter would we see fighting "safe", and not to lose rather than fight to win?

So all in all, judging is not that awful but I wouldn't say it's that good. And that's what makes it perfect.

"don't let it go to the hands of the judges" (they might rob you of your victory, better go for the finish and control the outcome yourself)
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The problem is even with judging the way that it is guys are content to let it go to a decision. Often fighters think they are doing better than they really are or they're getting bad advice from their corners regarding the outcome.
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The problem is even with judging the way that it is guys are content to let it go to a decision. Often fighters think they are doing better than they really are or they're getting bad advice from their corners regarding the outcome.

Couldn't agree more here. The judges seem to score different fights on different grounds that's the problem we have here, fighters believe there doing enough with takedowns to win rounds when the judges are scoring it more to the opponent because of strikes, then the next even they score it the other way around!

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I do not agree. I think fighters want to finish fights for four reasons
  1. They will gain more fans that way which leads to bigger fights on the main card.
  2. They want the KN/sub of the night bonus.
  3. They want the reputation of being a finisher, someone who goes into the fight looking for the kill.
  4. The longer the fight goes the more time they hve to lose the fight by KO/sub. Ex. Alves/Kampman, Mir/Nog, Sonnen/Silva.
Even if the judges did not screw up the decisions I think fighter would still want to finish fights for these reasons. With that said if the fight does go to decision they should not have to worry if the judges will screw them.

I wil agree that the bad judgeing is an added incentive to finish fights, but it is not the only reason.

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The real problem I see with changing the judging criteria is you will just change how people try to win on the score cards. I think the only thing that would really change judging would be if 'Attempting to finish' was the main criteria. Even then you would still have guys throwing subs they knew would never finish or throwing big bombs and rushing forward in an attempt to look more like the finisher.

I think the rules need to change, I just can't decide what would lead to less bad decisions and prevent fighters from trying to win rounds rather than the fight.
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That's actually an interesting thought...

Let's screw it up even more so more fighters go for the finish.




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Nope, you're wrong. We've been proven time and time again fighters don't give a shit. They're there for pay and play it safe regardless. How often do guys not actively fight or try to finish their opponent just to let it to the judges scorecards? It needs to be changed because it allows guys to have little action and still win.

Fighters wont go for the finish since the judging has been awful for years and its still the same crap
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Finishing fights is the express lane to a title shot and building a name for yourself. You generally see more point fighting out of established fighters near top-contender status (or some champions) who just don't want to fall back down the ladder. MMA at the contender level and MMA at the non-contender level are almost two different sports. Some prefer college; some prefer pro.
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Judges are provided by athletic commissions.

Athletic commissions are part of the government.

The government miscounting the results of Demetrious Johnson vs Ian McCall makes perfect sense.

Didn't you hear about Al Gore demanding a recount?

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I do not agree. I think fighters want to finish fights for four reasons
  1. They will gain more fans that way which leads to bigger fights on the main card.
  2. They want the KN/sub of the night bonus.
  3. They want the reputation of being a finisher, someone who goes into the fight looking for the kill.
  4. The longer the fight goes the more time they hve to lose the fight by KO/sub. Ex. Alves/Kampman, Mir/Nog, Sonnen/Silva.
Even if the judges did not screw up the decisions I think fighter would still want to finish fights for these reasons. With that said if the fight does go to decision they should not have to worry if the judges will screw them.

I wil agree that the bad judgeing is an added incentive to finish fights, but it is not the only reason.
you make some good points here, especially the bonuses, that being said, it doesn't apply to those already at the top of the food chain, making big money, like GSP (and God knows I'm a GSP fan)
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