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post #11 of 35 (permalink) Old 04-05-2012, 07:54 PM
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You should probably re-read that post considering I never said Machida was the same fighter he was either, I just said Shogun is done based on the fact his knees have had to been operated on a hundred times and he got the shit beat out of him twice last year. Quit acting like McKeever, while it's funny to watch, it's also pretty sad.
I'm sad? No, no... let's poll our fellow posters, and I think they'll give you a proper idea of who has truly gone downhill, posting wise. And no, you didn't come right out and say that Machida is the same fighter, but you're blatantly attempting to make the statement that Shogun has regressed so much that he'd be short work for Lyoto. You do this while conveniently ignoring the fact that Machida has also regressed considerably. As for Shogun getting the shit beat out of him twice last year... Machida/Jones and Shogun/Machida II. How did those fights end again? With Machida in a heap? Righty-o.

At least the close of Rua/Henderson didn't see Shogun unconscious on the mat.

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Yes, I'm certain everyone agrees with you that Frankie won the fight with Henderson. Again, let's take another poll. Anyone?

None of your biased, blind, and hypocritical bunk is worth reading a second time. I'll spare myself that torture and simply say that I look forward to posting alongside you when Henderson takes the rematch
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Lyoto's only chance will be to take him down and submit him or lay on him to a decision. On the feet, Shogun walks through his punches and KO's him easily again.

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Lyoto's only chance will be to take him down and submit him or lay on him to a decision. On the feet, Shogun walks through his punches and KO's him easily again.
Exactly. Machida does not have the power to hurt Shogun on the feet, even if Shogun's slower than before he's still fast enough to walk him down and knock him out. As for laying on him for a decision, yeah, that's not happening, Machida couldn't keep him down for more than 20-30 seconds in their last fight. I think the sub is his only real chance of winning.
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Exactly. Machida does not have the power to hurt Shogun on the feet, even if Shogun's slower than before he's still fast enough to walk him down and knock him out. As for laying on him for a decision, yeah, that's not happening, Machida couldn't keep him down for more than 20-30 seconds in their last fight. I think the sub is his only real chance of winning.
True, Machida doesn't have the top control for that. Plus in every transition, Shogun is going to be looking for a leglock and Machida might end up getting himself submitted.

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I'm sad? No, no... let's poll our fellow posters, and I think they'll give you a proper idea of who has truly gone downhill, posting wise. And no, you didn't come right out and say that Machida is the same fighter, but you're blatantly attempting to make the statement that Shogun has regressed so much that he'd be short work for Lyoto. You do this while conveniently ignoring the fact that Machida has also regressed considerably. As for Shogun getting the shit beat out of him twice last year... Machida/Jones and Shogun/Machida II. How did those fights end again? With Machida in a heap? Righty-o.

At least the close of Rua/Henderson didn't see Shogun unconscious on the mat.



Yes, I'm certain everyone agrees with you that Frankie won the fight with Henderson. Again, let's take another poll. Anyone?

None of your biased, blind, and hypocritical bunk is worth reading a second time. I'll spare myself that torture and simply say that I look forward to posting alongside you when Henderson takes the rematch
Yeah, you say the same thing every time, you're a broken record. It's annoying.

And to the people saying Shogun will "walk him down and knock him out" might wanna rewatch the fights, he didn't walk Machida down and knock him out, he caught him on the way in when Machida went for his straight knee. Machida's out pointed him before so it's not impossible for him to do it again against a much more slower, beaten down version of Shogun. Shogun would probably gas after his first blitz and allow himself to get pushed against the cage and taken down.

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Shogun wins, probably by stoppage.

Not often you have to beat a guy 3 times. Well Tito had to beat Ken Shamrock 3 times, but that was all about making money in a time they needed it.
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Just use the ignore feature guys - the bickering is getting old, and it ruins a lot of otherwise good threads.

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Yeah, you say the same thing every time, you're a broken record. It's annoying.

And to the people saying Shogun will "walk him down and knock him out" might wanna rewatch the fights, he didn't walk Machida down and knock him out, he caught him on the way in when Machida went for his straight knee. Machida's out pointed him before so it's not impossible for him to do it again against a much more slower, beaten down version of Shogun. Shogun would probably gas after his first blitz and allow himself to get pushed against the cage and taken down.
Maybe you should rewatch the first fight, then look at Fightmetric.

Seriously, your blatant bias is ridiculous. No one is saying they don't like Machida but, you are giving him a bad name.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/08/...ic-report.html

Shogun matches up well with Machida and to be honest, Lyoto wouldn't get out of the first round with an 80% Shogun.

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Maybe you should rewatch the first fight, then look at Fightmetric.

Seriously, your blatant bias is ridiculous. No one is saying they don't like Machida but, you are giving him a bad name.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/08/...ic-report.html

Shogun matches up well with Machida and to be honest, Lyoto wouldn't get out of the first round with an 80% Shogun.
Shogun was 100 percent the first fight and he made it out just fine so that statement really holds no weight, he landed the perfect punch on Machida in the second fight coming in.

You should probably hit that little link that says "Grappling" on Fight Metric, if it was a K1 fight sure Shogun beat Machida and beat him easily but he wasn't the aggressor, he didn't control the Octagon, and he didn't get Machida down once. Machida out worked him three of the four scoring criteria's and that's why he won, it's not that hard of a concept to grasp.

I would like to think after all these years of the UFC implementing that scoring system people would have caught on to how fights are scored in the UFC instead they try to score just striking or think damage matters.

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