MaleHairdresser

Lurking on this forum, I significantly remember you posting about how Johnny Hendricks had nothing for Jon Fitch and that Jon was going to easily dominate him.

You were horribly wrong on that one too.

Budhisten

In his defense - I think most of us were a bit shocked by that outcome

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TheLyotoLegion

Okay so I've been wrong on a few but no one gets them all right.

On the bright side though I wasn't the only one who got that one wrong.

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MaleHairdresser

You acknowledge that you can be wrong, that's a start! It just gets a little tedious when you act as if your pre-fight predictions are words of god and there is no possible way you can be wrong.

As Candian said, there is no such thing as a safe bet in MMA.

Ludinator

I have to totally agree with lyoto legion here. Shogun does not have a chance in this third fight and ime sick of people thinking shogun still has what it takes to hang around at the top. Shogun is done, his cardio is bad, his movement has slowed down, his knees are gone, shogun and ime sorry to say this hasn't looked like he did in pride since he entered the UFC. What jones did to shogun was a massacre, Hendo is 41 and how shogun still couldn't capalize on a out of steam Hendo in rounds 4-5 shocked me, how olds shogun 28-29 in his prime? Please. Shogun is done.

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Canadian Psycho

And what about Lyoto's past four performances makes you believe that he isn't just as 'done' as Shogun? The fact is you're making too sweeping and bold a statement when you literally have zero idea how a third contest would turn out. If getting beat down by Jon Jones indicates that someone is done, then sign Lyoto, Rampage, and a host of others up for retirement, as well.

As for not being able to finish Henderson in the latter rounds, give me a break. Shogun ate nearly a dozen H-Bombs and survived, whereas it took only a single blow to put Fedor to sleep. That he managed to finish the fight in control, let alone escape the first round, shows just how much he has left in the tank. Besides, you, much like Lyoto Legion, tend to ignore the obvious. That Machida has slowed down just as much, if not more than Shogun. Whereas Lyoto completely wilted against a Rampage Jackson who was content to hold onto him, Shogun came back from three brutal rounds to put a hurt on Dan Henderson to close what was fight of the year.

But hey... I get how bias works. It makes fools out of us all.

Ludinator

No but jones wasnt able to put a beating on rampage and machida the way he did to shogun ! Oh and please Hendo gassed that's why shogun was able to come out in later rounds and take them, if it was a 3 round fight in would of been a dominating win for Hendo! Machida looked good against jones , he was doing all the right things, in and out explosive till he took that elbow that opened his fod, his fight before that was probably one of the best UFC knockouts ever.

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Canadian Psycho

Cool story, bro. Once again, however, you miss the point entirely. I never said that Henderson didn't gas. He did. It doesn't change the fact that Shogun was able to eat his best shots and carry on fighting. How many other fighters whom have tasted Hendo's H-Bomb can say the same? I have far more respect for Shogun surviving and rallying back than I do Machida completely allowing Jackson to hold him against the cage for three rounds. Mentally, we know who's stronger.

As for the whole Jon Jones argument, whether Lyoto looked good in the first round is a moot point. It doesn't change the fact that that fight ended with Machida in a heap, looking far worse than Shogun did after he lost the title. All their respective losses tell me is that Shogun got caught sooner. Nothing more. Nothing less.

And yes, the KO of Randy Couture was beautiful. That said, it was also an aging, on the verge of retiring Randy Couture. If you want to turn that into some masterful feat, then by all means, knock yourself out. Actually looking to their last few bouts, and using a little thing called logic, it's far too difficult to say that Machida would 'outpoint' or 'defeat' Shogun with ease.

Machida, perhaps at his best at the time, barely secured a decision victory over Rua in a fight where everyone who didn't have his/her head up Lyoto's arse felt Shogun won. Their second encounter needs no explanation other than 'KTFO', and simply saying that 'Rua connected with a lucky shot' is an excuse so weak it doesn't merit consideration.

Both men went down brutally to Jon Jones. Lyoto scored an impressive victory over old man Couture, while Shogun scored an impressive victory over a passive Forrest Griffin. Shogun shows more grit, heart, and determination in a 5 round FOTY with Dan Henderson, while Machida displays no heart whatsoever in a boring decision loss which takes place entirely against the cage.

And I'm to believe that Machida isn't a shell of his former self, and that he would dispose of Shogun with relative ease? Are you certain this isn't some sort of comedy bit?

jonnyg4508

Love how Lyoto gets owned and just skips overit like no big thing.

Also, "Okay, so I've been wrong a few times".

The guy is a riot.

What matchups would we like for both of them if they didn't do Machida/Shogun 3 right now?

To me Phil Davis shouldn't be thrown in with another top 5 calibar LHW again. They are going to ruin him before he even grows. He has done nothing to be in that elite class. He had trouble with Lil Nog and he beat Gustaf when Gustaf was like 22 years old. He has no top 10 wins really.

If they don't do this fight, I would like to see Shogun vs. Gustaf if Gustaf were to win vs Thiago. And Machida vs. Bader.

Come to think about it the 205 division is pretty thin after the first 7 or so. Guys like Te Huna and Bonnar need to start getting a little better opponents I guess.

TheLyotoLegion

I have Canadian Pyscho on Ignored, that's why I skipped over it, he's a giant annoyance and his posts are the same old shit every single time. He's basically McKeever just without the tantrums.

Neither Shogun or Machida are top five right now, Feijao and Mousasi are both in SF, Rampage is having surgery so they're going to get either Gustaffson, Davis, or Bader.

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