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He is talking about the clenbuterol, not the blood doping.
It's the same case. They found clenbuterol in his system, but since the levels were so low, the argument they made to suspend him was that he was blood doping and the extra blood he got was contaminated.
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Why doesnt Overeem have the B sample tested?

Is it because if the B sample comes up posotive the penalty could be more harsh?

Is it because he is going to conceed his guilt?

If anyone knows please repond. thanks.

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Why doesnt Overeem have the B sample tested?

Is it because if the B sample comes up posotive the penalty could be more harsh?

Is it because he is going to conceed his guilt?

If anyone knows please repond. thanks.
Could be because he's going the TRT route or something similar. If he claims to have been aware of his T/E ratio, then requesting the B sample would make look less trustworthy. Like you're just looking for any way out.




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besides, the B sample is probably too old to test now anyway.


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It's the same case. They found clenbuterol in his system, but since the levels were so low, the argument they made to suspend him was that he was blood doping and the extra blood he got was contaminated.
That, of course, was the prosecutions argument, not Contador's. Contador said he got the drug from contaminated veal. The prosecution said he got it from contaminated red blood cells in a transfusion.

Which does not at all relate to an elevated T:E ratio, so that case is not relevant here.

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Why doesnt Overeem have the B sample tested?

Is it because if the B sample comes up posotive the penalty could be more harsh?

Is it because he is going to conceed his guilt?

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He may have requested it to be tested, we just dont know about it yet. Not everything that is done is public record yet.

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besides, the B sample is probably too old to test now anyway.
If refrigerated it can last up to a week maybe. It may have already been tested, who knows.

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Another example being Chael Sonnen.

Chael before he starts abusing TRT = mediocre, loses badly to the likes of Damian Maia. Chael abusing TRT and chronic bacne = contender.
Exactly. What I'm glad is at least none of these cheats has actually grabbed the belt lately. The true elites are still the ones without the crutch.
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Before steroids he got destroyed by pretty much every top 10 LHW he ever faced. He didn't beat anyone of note at all other than Vitor at his worst, before he started balooning up mysteriously.
he also said that the weight cut to fight at LHW was starting to get too hard for him to fight at his best. As we've seen with a few fighters lately, a difficult weight cut WILL affect your game severly.


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he also said that the weight cut to fight at LHW was starting to get too hard for him to fight at his best. As we've seen with a few fighters lately, a difficult weight cut WILL affect your game severly.
Could be could be ... unfortunately he's taken away any way for us to ever know. He's killed whatever chance he had to build a legit legacy.
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