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Old 04-08-2012, 11:51 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The only thing I don't get about the weight cutting thing is that if everybody who walks around at about 15lbs higher than the weight division they are cutting for, then how much of an advantage is it to even cut weight? I mean, if everybody does it, doesn't that sort of make it pointless? Seems better to me to just do a Frankie Edgar.
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I see you took my post to heart. I should warn you, it was made entirely in jest, and more an opportunity for me to take a jab at British people than at Jon Jones. The truth is, while he is a mountain of a man, if he can make LHW, then he has every right to fight there. I'd not say Jones should have to move up at this time, though he might one day have no choice. He's still growing in many regards.
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Benson wants to move up...so does Jon Jones, so they should move up.
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:33 PM   #14 (permalink)
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The only thing I don't get about the weight cutting thing is that if everybody who walks around at about 15lbs higher than the weight division they are cutting for, then how much of an advantage is it to even cut weight? I mean, if everybody does it, doesn't that sort of make it pointless? Seems better to me to just do a Frankie Edgar.
Exactly, the whole thing is just one of those idiotic "it's always been that way" things.

Everyone has to do it, no one is gaining an advantage because everyone's doing it, and everyone's bodies are suffering the effects of chronic dehydration for absolutely NO reason other than the rules haven't caught up to this stupid loophole.

Institute same day/1 hr before fight weigh ins, raise every divs limits +15 lbs (or +10% etc.), end of stupidity.

Fighters healthier, crowds happier because fighters gas less, everything else stays the same. Except some extreme weight cutters like Anthony Johnson / Alves, who are forced to stop missing weights / using diuretics, and fight at their real weight div which is again a good thing. There's no reason not to do this IMHO.
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:37 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Well at the press conference the other week Rashad was heavier than jones. As someone said jones legs are stick thin he only has a bigger upper body.
Not relevant.

Jones is so damn big that even at HW he should have a comfortable size advantage over most.

The things that matter in striking are reach and height...Jon Jones is an incredibly tall LHW and has the longest reach in MMA regardless of weight, let alone at 205.

In terms of wrestling, his upper body strength is almost unparalleled to due to his disproportional frame.

Every hear of Anthony Robles? This guy won a national championship with one leg, and the layman was like "OMG this is so amazing, what an inspiration he only has one leg and still is winning"....while pretty much everyone I talked to who was a real wrestler actually pointed it to being an advantage because the dude had the frame of like a 160lber wrestling against 125lbers.....he was able to simply manhandle most of his opponents by being twice their size.

This is why people don't really like Jones at LHW...he's way too big and strong for the division....he can make the cut because he has freak genetics.

He's basically the exact opposite of a guy like Phil Baroni, Thiago Alves or Glover Texiera who are such weird body types that they are too big for one weight and too small for the next.
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Jones is just that damn good, maybe in the future, like 2 years from now he'll have a couple fights at heavyweight, but for now LHW seems to be perfect for him. He's not cutting a ridiculous amount of weight like Rampage, Forrest, or Tito who all cut from 240, and he's actually skilled.

Jones cleaning out the division the way he did proved to me exactly what I thought the LHW division was, a big joke :/ hate to say it, but it was just a bunch of lesser skilled fighters who cut massive amounts of weight and Machida and now that someone with an actual professional level skill set and work ethic is in the division he makes quick work of it. I always knew the division wasn't that stacked when Silva took on Forrest, a former champion, and embarrassed him in his own division.
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This is why people don't really like Jones at LHW...he's way too big and strong for the division....he can make the cut because he has freak genetics.
He can make the cut because his walk around weight isn't unusually high for the division, especially compared to that of other LHWs. His frame is huge in terms of the width of his hips, shoulders and length of his limbs, but he isn't as densely muscled as say, Ryan Bader, hence he doesn't weigh a whole lot more. His frame is advantageous to the division, but if he weighs 225lbs walking around then I don't see why people have a problem with him fighting people that weigh the same as him.
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I'm one of the ones who thinks Bones should goto HW. Not because he is a "coward", or because it's "unfair", but only because there are some HWs that I would love to see him fight.

Until he comes in over 206, nobody really has any right to criticize him for fighting at LHW.
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Old 04-08-2012, 04:22 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I've read alot of people on here, you tube, twitter you name it stating that Jon jones is a bully and coward for fighting in the light heavyweight devision and i would like to start a discussion on
The matter. Jon jones walks around at 225, but guys like rampage, Evans, thiago silva, bader, griffen, Tito walk around the same if not heavyier, so why does jones get stick for this?. Okay he's clearing out the decision but so has silva and Gsp for the past few years yet they dnt get stick. This happens all the time in UFC, Maynard and Ben Henderson don't belong at 155 but do they get stick ? If the fighter can make the cut then why not.

You need to learn to ignore the delusional propaganda fueled by the fanboy.

Jones will most likely move to HW in the future. Why? Because he has stated interest in such a move. He has a large frame and is still very young in the sport. Due to nature and genetics his body will naturally continue to grow, thus making a cut to 205lb very difficult.
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Shogun fans are still upset, that's why. The Machida fans took the loss and accepted, you had those moronic crybabies on Sherdog screaming it's not fair that Shogun got beat up because Jones is a natural Heavyweight.

The guy's 225 lbs and has legs that resemble tooth picks, if he went up to Heavyweight and fought a guy like Pat Barry whose one of the worst fighters in the UFC, Jones would lose because his legs wouldn't be able to handle kicks from a guy like Barry.

Of course if he fills out like his brothers have then he'll be forced to go up, Arthur is like 300 lbs and plays for the Ravens and his other brother Chandler is in this year's NFL draft too.
I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting this but it seems like you are saying Pat Barry would beat Jon Jones.

I really hope that was a misinterpretation my my part.
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