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Old 04-10-2012, 09:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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you are part of the group of people who are obvious to hard hard these people work

i quit drinking , drugs and went from being 140 pounds to 160 of muscle in a year and people claim i did steroids , but the truth is i just dedicated my life to change and ive never touched steriods

and i could easily see someone going from LHW to HW in a couple of years .. with the right diet and support easy.. im going to be 175 by the 2 years mark so thats a 25% gain in weight and muscle in 2 years .. if overeem was 200 becoming 250 in two years is easily attainable for someone whos job is to fight for a living....
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you are part of the group of people who are obvious to hard hard these people work

i quit drinking , drugs and went from being 140 pounds to 160 of muscle in a year and people claim i did steroids , but the truth is i just dedicated my life to change and ive never touched steriods

and i could easily see someone going from LHW to HW in a couple of years .. with the right diet and support easy.. im going to be 175 by the 2 years mark so thats a 25% gain in weight and muscle in 2 years .. if overeem was 200 becoming 250 in two years is easily attainable for someone whos job is to fight for a living....
No you drastically changed your lifestyle, Overeem was a guy who was already working out constantly. Big difference IMO.
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:56 PM   #13 (permalink)
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^ i somewhat concur with you, as i am a very avid weightlifter as well. Do I think steriods should be allowed? No, but under medical supervision there is nothing wrong with TRT if it is done correctly and not abused. Overeem put that weight on over 5-10 years. I am not saying that he didnt use steriods to do it. But it is not difficult to put on that much weight over that time if diet and training is followed correctly with proper recovery.
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Horse meat, now the TRT excuse = Horse S$@#!

(I still want to see the fight though)
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^ i somewhat concur with you, as i am a very avid weightlifter as well. Do I think steriods should be allowed? No, but under medical supervision there is nothing wrong with TRT if it is done correctly and not abused. Overeem put that weight on over 5-10 years. I am not saying that he didnt use steriods to do it. But it is not difficult to put on that much weight over that time if diet and training is followed correctly with proper recovery.
Overeem went from fighting at LHW in 2007 to weighing 255 pounds of solid muscle in 2008. A professional athlete doing that is suspect but not impossible some people have naturally higher testosterone levels, for an athlete who supposedly has low levels of testosterone though its impossible. Either he is cheating or overcompensating which would be cheating.
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I just hope to heck the fight happens because Overeem will get owned by JDS. After that, Reem and Barnett can battle for best synthetic fighter.
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Seems like TRT is the "insanity defense" of the MMA world. An excuse with a 5% chance of working is better than simply throwing your hands up and saying "I did it". However, not a very ethical one..
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how anyone can defend Overeem at this point is beyond me. He tried to avoid getting caught cheating, he did once, they surprised him with a test and he failed it miserably. Getting a TRT license post-test is about as unethical and shady a thing I've ever heard of in the UFC. This is getting insane, I feel bad for JDS and Anderson Silva, it's complete dogshit having to fight juiced up fighters. Shame on you Overeem.
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Ok so the monster we know as Overeem is just a guy that is struggling to keep his testosterone at NORMAL levels? Can you imagine what he would look like if he was actually abusing steroids???? They should juice this idiot up to a 1,000,000:1 ratio so he cant even move inside the octagon.

This just in: Overeem cites a prescription from Inspector Gadget to equip 18ft bionic arms inside the octagon.
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Jurisdiction, is it? That's an interesting argument.

Anyone know a bit more about testing? Is there a period for testing that ought to have been abided by, or is random testing entirely legit?
I just did a bit of reading of the NAC regulations for the fun of it regarding this case and wondering what the NAC can do with an unlicensed fighter (thankfully it's a hell of a lot easier to read than the usual legal-speak regulations). Fortunately for Overeem I don't think he is going with the jurisdiction argument anymore. Important to remember (IIRC) they had an agreement to randomly test Overeem two times in a six month period when granting his temporary license.

From what I've read, there are two parts that are relevant to Overeem's case, being an unlicensed fighter and being a fighter with an expired license.

Regarding the second part, being a fighter with an expired license:

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NAC 467.089 Effect of expiration of license on jurisdiction of Commission. (NRS 467.030) The expiration of a license does not deprive the Commission of jurisdiction to:
1. Proceed with an investigation of the licensee;
2. Proceed with an action or disciplinary proceeding against the licensee;
3. Render a decision to suspend or revoke the license; or
4. Otherwise discipline the licensee.
As they had an agreement to randomly test Overeem, I would say they were within their rights to continue with this even after the license expired. Maybe for convenience, as the high T/E ratio was found after the fight, they don't take retrospective action on his expired license. However, as a now unlicensed fighter, they have the following guidelines:

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NAC 467.082 Grounds for denial of application for license. (NRS 467.030, 467.080, 467.100) The Commission may deny the application of an applicant if it finds that the applicant has performed any act which would, if performed by a licensee, subject the licensee to discipline pursuant to NAC 467.885
So basically if Overeem has performed any act that would get a licensed fighter disciplined, the NAC can deny his application. These acts include (of course) the use of any drugs banned by the world anti-doping agency, as well as if he "Failed or refused to comply with a valid order of a representative of the Commission". So he couldn't have simply refused to participate in the random drug test, if they had an agreement to when providing the license original license.

Finally, if they do refuse his license application, he cannot re-apply for 1 year as a standard rule, unless the NAC specifically state otherwise when they deny the license.

Source: http://leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html
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