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post #21 of 51 (permalink) Old 04-11-2012, 06:31 AM
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TRT was created to help people who need it to live a normal life. It was not created to help older athletes, who are completely strong and healthy compared to your average Joe, carry on competing at the highest level of sports.

If it's legit, why are they not allowing this shit in other sports? A google brings up pro-wrestling, bodybuilding and MMA as the three "sports" that use the treatment. MMA is soiling its name being associated with this rubbish.

TRT is not there for sports men and women. When your body is not working optimally, its time to quit. Its there to help people get by in life. Overeem would be living life just fine without this treatment. He might not be the monster he is now, but he would be competing and making money. A productive life.

As for people like Hendo? Hes 41 for gods sake. Time to call it a day if you need to juice up to be able to compete.
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Overeem went from fighting at LHW in 2007 to weighing 255 pounds of solid muscle in 2008. A professional athlete doing that is suspect but not impossible some people have naturally higher testosterone levels, for an athlete who supposedly has low levels of testosterone though its impossible. Either he is cheating or overcompensating which would be cheating.
Overeem was still weighing 225 at light heavy tho! Go watch the documentary the reem, he explains he was never able to weight train or eat loads because he would no longer be able to make the cut if he gained weight. This is not a racist comment here but black people look bigger than White people anyway, they show there muscle definition alot more. That's why bodybuilders were that dark paint, Frank mir gained alot of muscle in a period of 6 months and no one questioned him.

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TRT was created to help people who need it live a normal life. It was not created to help older athletes, who are completely strong and healthy compared to your average Joe, carry on competing at the highest level of sports.

If it's legit, why are they not allowing this shit in other sports? A google brings up pro-wrestling, bodybuilding and MMA as the three "sports" that use the treatment. MMA is soiling its name being associated with this rubbish.

TRT is not there for sports men and women. When your body is not working optimally, its time to quit. Its there to help people get by in life. Overeem would be living life just fine without this treatment. He might not be the monster he is now, but he would be competing and making money. A productive life.

As for people like Hendo? Hes 41 for gods sake. Time to call it a day if you need to juice up to be able to compete.
I totally agree with this pov.
If MMA wants to be seen as a honorable sport, this TRT rubbish has to go away.

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you are part of the group of people who are obvious to hard hard these people work

i quit drinking , drugs and went from being 140 pounds to 160 of muscle in a year and people claim i did steroids , but the truth is i just dedicated my life to change and ive never touched steriods

and i could easily see someone going from LHW to HW in a couple of years .. with the right diet and support easy.. im going to be 175 by the 2 years mark so thats a 25% gain in weight and muscle in 2 years .. if overeem was 200 becoming 250 in two years is easily attainable for someone whos job is to fight for a living....
the 25% from 140 to 160 is MUCH easier than the 25% from 210 to 260. In fact it's easier than the 5% from 210 to 220.

The human body has built in limits as to muscle mass, and the closer you get to that limit the more you start to plateau out unless you put exponentially more effort and nutrition.

And after some point, even heavy workouts and nutrition hit a wall. A human being can't turn into a rhino, there is a genetic ceiling at some point. And that ceiling is lower without steroids.

I went from 140 to 160 during a single year in my teens as well, doing nothing more than pushups, pullups and crunches. That jump is a cakewalk, the initial muscle mass is the easiest to put on. If I do that routine now at 200lbs, I'd be lucky to not lose any muscle mass.

Overeem is guilty as sin, the guy has a frog's head for a face, tested 14 times the average human testosterone level, and still people defend him. Unbelievable.
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Oh come on, you can't be serious Alistair. This TRT craze has to stop. Fighters don't need TRT, no matter how old. TRT exists to enable people who have a deficiency to have a normal amount of testosterone and therefore to lead normal lives. Even with TRT your testosterone levels should never be three times the normal level except directly after you got the injection.

Whatever. If he has a prescription there's nothing the commission can do. He wasn't licensed before so he wasn't obligated to disclose his 'condition' to anyone. It still is a lame move. Shame on you.




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Maybe it’s us who have the problem and us who need to change. Maybe it’s time to bring all sports into the 21st century and MMA can lead the way.

For about 40 years now we have been aware of athletes using drugs to enhance their training and performance and we’ve tried to stop it. How’s that working? In any sport?

MMA isn’t just any sport. It is extreme. We expect these guys to put on super human performances. Anyone who has ever sparred a 5 minute round knows this is true. Then, we act shocked and offended when they use every tool they find can to deliver.

Maybe it’s time to marry sport and science and find out what the human body is really capable of. This could bring the next big step in human evolution. At the least it would be a boon to medicine as we learn more about the long term and side effects of certain PED”s.

No one is forcing or taking advantage of these athletes. They are determined to burn brighter than normal even though they know it means they’ll burn shorter.

I say LIGHT‘EM UP and enjoy the show.

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The only way I'll believe Overeem needs TRT is if he drops his pants to show that he has no balls.
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If the excuse passes(again with TRT) then this sport is officially a joke.

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Maybe it’s us who have the problem and us who need to change. Maybe it’s time to bring all sports into the 21st century and MMA can lead the way.

For about 40 years now we have been aware of athletes using drugs to enhance their training and performance and we’ve tried to stop it. How’s that working? In any sport?

MMA isn’t just any sport. It is extreme. We expect these guys to put on super human performances. Anyone who has ever sparred a 5 minute round knows this is true. Then, we act shocked and offended when they use every tool they find can to deliver.

Maybe it’s time to marry sport and science and find out what the human body is really capable of. This could bring the next big step in human evolution. At the least it would be a boon to medicine as we learn more about the long term and side effects of certain PED”s.

No one is forcing or taking advantage of these athletes. They are determined to burn brighter than normal even though they know it means they’ll burn shorter.

I say LIGHT‘EM UP and enjoy the show.
Say an athlete doesn't want to use TRT. Say they want to fight clean because their own research has shown that these treatments can ruin you in later life. If, as you suggest, we make it open season for PEDs, where does that leave any fighters who refuse to do PEDs? It's a massive disadvantage for them. So in the end the clean fighters are the ones who are punished. Goes against what I think sports fundamentally represent.

Not for me brother. To watch an MMA fight knowing that one is on PEDs and the other isn't, immediately makes the whole sport far less appealing to me. Because if the juiced up fighter wins, it wont mean shit to me. I will, in time, stop watching the sport if it ever takes this route.
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Say an athlete doesn't want to use TRT. Say they want to fight clean because their own research has shown that these treatments can ruin you in later life. If, as you suggest, we make it open season for PEDs, where does that leave any fighters who refuse to do PEDs? It's a massive disadvantage for them. So in the end the clean fighters are the ones who are punished.
They're just S. O. L. if they don't have the commitment to do what it takes to entertain me then, screw'em.

it's time to stop fighting progress

The minor leagues are for people who can't handle drugs.

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