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post #21 of 36 (permalink) Old 04-13-2012, 11:09 AM
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Yes, Diaz is a black belt, and a legit, solid one at that. The guy he is facing is a truly world class champion black belt. Let's pretend that there is such thing as a "striking" black belt. Some dude who trains for 10 years and is damned good is a "striking black belt" legitimately (I would call most mid to upper tier UFC fighters with "good stand up" a "striking black belt" for this analogy). He then steps in to fight Anderson Silva...
I completely agree. I never said Nick was going to win. I specifically said, "I'm not saying he will beat Estima, but he's no stranger to ground fighting." You don't think he (Nick Diaz) will make it somewhat competitive at all? For the record I'm not a Diaz fan at all. In fact I can't stand him.
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You pointed out Nick Diaz is a blackbelt, therefore he shouldn't be wrote off completely. Rashad Evans is also a blackbelt. My pont is it doesn't really matter, in a sense, what belt you are in BJJ once you get to the blue/brown belt level. There are HUGE gulfs of talent between blackbelts in BJJ.

If you are using Nick Diaz' blackbelt credentials to justify him having a chance of beating Braulio, then surely you must apply the same logic to Rashad Evans. Which is weird because Evans would last no more than 5 mnutes in BJJ competition against Braulio. On a good day.

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You pointed out Nick Diaz is a blackbelt, therefore he shouldn't be wrote off completely. Rashad Evans is also a blackbelt. My pont is it doesn't really matter, in a sense, what belt you are in BJJ once you get to the blue/brown belt level. There are HUGE gulfs of talent between blackbelts in BJJ.

If you are using Nick Diaz' blackbelt credentials to justify him having a chance of beating Braulio, then surely you must apply the same logic to Rashad Evans. Which is weird because Evans would last no more than 5 mnutes in BJJ competition against Braulio. On a good day.

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but in the same logic there is a big difference in rashads black belt and Diaz's black belt



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That makes sense. I think I confused you. What you just wrote is very adjacent or similar to what I meant. I don't expect Diaz to win at all but this isn't something to him. That's all I was saying.
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but in the same logic there is a big difference in rashads black belt and Diaz's black belt
Thats exactly my point dude. Using ones belt colour to justify competitiveness against another of similar level is illogical. The gulfs between talent are too vast to do this. Compare most MMA blackbelts with the Gracies/Ribeiros of this world and you will see a big difference in talent. This isn't some revelation, just a misunderstanding with a fellow poster.

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That makes sense. I think I confused you. What you just wrote is very adjacent or similar to what I meant. I don't expect Diaz to win at all but this isn't something to him. That's all I was saying.
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There is a lot more for Nick to gain here then there is to lose.

If he wins then he just beat a BJJ world champion.

If he loses then, well, he lost to a BJJ world champion. No shame in that.

If he loses but is highly competitive in the bout then he was able to hang with a BJJ world champion.

Im sure in an MMA bout Nick would be favored, but Nick is entering this guys world and if he shows well it will be good for his reputation.

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to quote one of GSP's BJJ trainers when GSP was preparing for Jake Shields... "There are Black Belts, and then there are Black Belts..." Not all Black Belts are created equal. I love Nick and I'm pro the Diaz brothers, but Estima is a different level of Black Belt compared to Nick, imho.
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Estima is a 2nd degree black belt, and a world champion BJJ competitor.

Diaz is a great black belt, but is light years behind Estima's belt level and credentials.

It'll be a fun match to watch, but Estima will make him tap.
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180 lbs fight? I'm guessing Diaz won't cut any weight
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