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Normal men have a T/E ratio of about 1:1, 99% of athletes have elevated T production so the ratio is 5:1 at max. There was never any athlete (who got tested) who did not do steroids and had a bigger ratio than 5,5:1.

I'm a big believer in innocent until proven guilty but facts are facts and the fact is his ratio was almost twice the ratio ever found in any human body.
That's not really true.

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Between 2005 and 2009, 63 510 doping control urine samples were analyzed in the Cologne laboratory. A total of 1442 specimens (2.3%) showed a T/E > 4; 80 (5.5%) of which were tested positive by means of isotope ratio mass spectrometry (IRMS); and most of which (68) originated from strength sport disciplines.

Specimens of high T/E ratio showed a much higher probability for being confirmed to contain exogenous testosterone using IRMS analysis than samples of low T/E values.

Considering the small number of adverse analytical findings triggered by lowering the T/E reporting threshold (978 urine specimens with T/E ratios between 4 and 6 yielded only 4 (0.4%) positive IRMS findings) and the known limitations of the T/E ratio as discriminating parameter (UGT2B17 polymorphism), the currently mandatory approach shows only marginal overall efficiency.
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There were a number of athletes over 6:1 who weren't using testosterone. They made up a minuscule portion of the population, but they existed.

Overeem obviously isn't one of them, but they exist.

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So he provides a blood test after his testosterone levels go back to normal and is able to fight? Right.
unless he timed his anabolic deload about 30 days ago perfectly it wouldnt drastically change enough, hence it would be the same as before, elevated or not.


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I honestly believe if Reem gets licensed they need to just quit testing cause that is a clear indication that the system is biased and broken.
Pretty much this. Actually no; I'll just stop watching. Bah I can't do that. All I know is that if this happens, it'll be obvious that $ > cheating, and the UFC will never see a single penny from me again.
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This is a joke. Overeem should have been pulled from the fight the minute he failed the original test. A new test a week later proves nothing other then that the UFC doesn't really care about catching cheaters as long as they draw money.
If his level was as high as it was said to be a week won't make enough of a difference. I do find it amusing that people seem to think that the Reem because he is so huge automatically is juicing while JDS because he's not huge isn't on anything (I'm not saying he is either,just making the comparison). The effectiveness of roids is based a lot on your genetics, hell Big Country could be a roid fiend but because of his shitty genes he's not as big as Overeem. It's possible that the Reem could have gotten as big as he is without roids but I doubt it (full disclosure I'm a huge Reem fan) Look at Brock, he's tested clean for all his UFC fights, I just can't believe that as experienced of a fighter as the Reem is that he'd get caught this close to a fight with his levels that high, he should have been off at least a month or 6 weeks ago and been doing his HCG to drop his nuts down and get them working again.
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This is more telling of the testing than Overeem
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People seem pretty quick to judge the UFC in this also. I'm guessing that they already signed a contact between Overeem and JDS.

If that is so, they can't simply tear it up if he is found innocent by the commission.
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People seem pretty quick to judge the UFC in this also. I'm guessing that they already signed a contact between Overeem and JDS.

If that is so, they can't simply tear it up if he is found innocent by the commission.
Definitely. When did they announce Lesnar-Overeem and the fact that the winner would be fighting for the title. They just can't throw everything away just like that.

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I think it's pretty obvious that at this point, no matter how you slice it, Reem is getting some "extra help" for fight preparation....

If your Testosterone levels are 14 times that of the normal level, something is up...YES I know TRT is not illegal but 14 times the limit???? Didn't Sonnen run into problems for just barely being over the legal level?

The UFC is treating this incident differently and pulling strings because they know how big of a super fight this is and how much there is riding on it. This is one of the most stacked cards ever and without Reem/JDS it's just not going to be the same.

Reem is in a tough spot. If he wins the public will obviously point to the drug test issues and say "he won because he was on Roids!". At this point no matter how good Reem fights his victory is already tainted.

On the other hand, if JDS beats the everlasting dog shit out Reem he will come out on top as 10X the badass he already is. This fight could seriously skyrocket JDS's career even more.
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If your Testosterone levels are 14 times that of the normal level, something is up...YES I know TRT is not illegal but 14 times the limit???? Didn't Sonnen run into problems for just barely being over the legal level?
Sonnen was at 16.9:1.

The "0.1 over the limit" line comes from Chael's stand up act. So does the, "I was never suspended for steroids" line.

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