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Old 04-18-2012, 04:36 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Nog has lost 3 of his last 5, he has no buisiness in the to 10.
Let me remind you of

Lyoto Machida
Shogun Ruas
Quinton Jackson
Forrest Griffin

So that's 40% of the 205 division that has lost 3 out of their last 5.

Now you can keep Nog out of a top ten using all of MMA putting Barnett, Cormier, and Konrad on the list but in the UFC it's pretty hard to come up with ten men "better" or "more accomplished" than Nog.
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:35 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Let me remind you of

Lyoto Machida
Shogun Ruas
Quinton Jackson
Forrest Griffin

So that's 40% of the 205 division that has lost 3 out of their last 5.

Now you can keep Nog out of a top ten using all of MMA putting Barnett, Cormier, and Konrad on the list but in the UFC it's pretty hard to come up with ten men "better" or "more accomplished" than Nog.
No one should even have Machida, Shogun, or Rampage in the top five.
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:43 AM   #24 (permalink)
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No one should even have Machida, Shogun, or Rampage in the top five.
Really so the top five would be...

Jones
Evans
Henderson
Davis
Gustaffson?

no...the issue LL is top 10
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Really so the top five would be...

Jones
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Davis
Gustaffson?

no...the issue LL is top 10
I would swap Bader with Davis considering he just beat Rampage but yeah, I would say Jones, Evans, Hendo, Bader, and Gustaffson deserve to be in the top five.

I love Machida but this guy's 1-3 since 2010, Rampage is 2-3 since 2010, and Shogun is 2-2. Their records in the last two years aren't all that great and each guy's delivered some awful performances lately.
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I would swap Bader with Davis considering he just beat Rampage but yeah, I would say Jones, Evans, Hendo, Bader, and Gustaffson deserve to be in the top five.

I love Machida but this guy's 1-3 since 2010, Rampage is 2-3 since 2010, and Shogun is 2-2. Their records in the last two years aren't all that great and each guy's delivered some awful performances lately.
Okay that's great but would you keep them all of them out of the top ten then, that's Toxic's point?
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Okay that's great but would you keep them all of them out of the top ten then, that's Toxic's point?
No not out of the top ten, they're all capable of beating everyone but Jones and still are better than guys like Bonnar and Matyushenko.

That'd be like putting Mark Hunt above Nogueira, Hunt may be on a three fight winning streak but everyone knows Big Nog is a better fighter.
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Let me remind you of

Lyoto Machida
Shogun Ruas
Quinton Jackson
Forrest Griffin

So that's 40% of the 205 division that has lost 3 out of their last 5.

Now you can keep Nog out of a top ten using all of MMA putting Barnett, Cormier, and Konrad on the list but in the UFC it's pretty hard to come up with ten men "better" or "more accomplished" than Nog.
What does "more accomplished" have to do with a Top10 HW list?

If nothing else, Top10 has to reflect the fighters' status as they are at this moment in time. We're not talking something vague/subjective like P4P.

Or am I out to lunch?

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Old 04-18-2012, 11:50 AM   #29 (permalink)
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What does "more accomplished" have to do with a Top10 HW list?

If nothing else, Top10 has to reflect the fighters' status as they are at this moment in time. We're not talking something vague/subjective like P4P.

Or am I out to lunch?

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If you aren't fighting the best and winning you likely shouldn't be ranked highly. I mean sure I would love a top ten of the ten best records in the UFC

Travis Browne
Shane Del Rosario
Junior Dos Santos
Ednaldo Oliveira
Phil De Fries
Stipe Miocic
Mike Russow
Matt Mitrione
Cain Velasquez
Chad Griggs

A brave top ten, but not realistic.
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Rankings shouldn't be based on who you like they should be based on wins and losses and Nog hasn't been doing all that much winning.
Relax

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You are gaining on Lyoto for worst poster here.
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